What can currently be observed at so-called pro-Palestine demonstrations at US universities is exactly that: open and undeniable anti-Semitism, hatred of Jews, calls for the destruction of Israel.

It's not antisemitism in what's going on, it's "pro-life" against the outright slaughter of innocents and if you take real notice you'll see that there are Jewish people amongst those same demonstrators who despise the actions of Adolf Benji and his far right fascist mob who keep on playing the "antisemitic" card against those who oppose their disgusting policies.

There will never be peace while Adolf Benji and his far right fascist mob and their supporters of stealing what doesn't belong to them keeps on going. Just take a look at the atrocities that are escalating on the West Bank.

Remember South Africa and apartheid? There is no difference between that and what's happening under Adolf Benji and he'll continue doing it just to stay out of jail (him and Donny are just 2 peas that came out of the same pod).

I'm sorry, but I can't accept that view of yours.

Pro Palestine is not antisemitism. It might be anti-Zionism, but Zionism is itself is the exclusion of all others.

The planet needs to end all religious states.

If you steal land, war will be waged against you; ask the First Nations people of America.

Meanwhile, what of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran, and their deadly 'desires' blighting that region?...

Or are those deadly players too difficult to consider and deal with?


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Well Hamas and Hezbollah were born out of Israeli far right Zionist policies and all of them along with Iran are all prime examples as to why religions of any sort shouldn't be mixed with politics.

Jewish Group Applauds Pro-Palestinian Campus Protesters.

As pro-Palestinian protesters at colleges across the country face condemnation and backlash from political leaders and media pundits, Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) and some Jewish-American politicians are voicing their support for the ongoing demonstrations.

College campuses across the country have seen waves of pro-Palestinian demonstrations since the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel that left about 1,200 dead. These protests by students and some faculty have drawn national attention in recent days amid crackdowns by school administrators and law enforcement at several prominent universities.

Critics say the demonstrators are "antisemitic" or promoting "antisemitism," saying that the pro-Palestinian movements on campus make Jewish students feel unsafe. While chants and actions that many view as antisemitic have occurred at some of these protests, many demonstrators say they are merely calling for a ceasefire and the end to the killing of Palestinians. More than 34,000 Palestinians have been killed since Israel launched its war in Gaza following Hamas' October 7 attack.

JVP, which describes itself as the largest progressive Jewish anti-Zionist organization in the world, voiced support for the campus demonstrations in comments to Newsweek.

"We applaud the courage and determination of students all over the country who are peacefully protesting for an end to U.S. support to the Israeli military and calling on their own universities to divest from the Israeli military," JVP's executive director Stefanie Fox said in an email.

Fox said that "countless Jewish students" are part of the protests. "It is not antisemitic to protest the actions of the Israeli government which is waging a genocidal campaign on Gaza," she said......

What can currently be observed at so-called pro-Palestine demonstrations at US universities is exactly that: open and undeniable anti-Semitism, hatred of Jews, calls for the destruction of Israel.

It's not antisemitism in what's going on, it's "pro-life" against the outright slaughter of innocents and if you take real notice you'll see that there are Jewish people amongst those same demonstrators who despise the actions of Adolf Benji and his far right fascist mob who keep on playing the "antisemitic" card against those who oppose their disgusting policies.

Jewish people among demonstrators are a fig leaf, not an argument. They express their opinion. Overwhelming jewish majority disagrees. It's the pro-palestine faction who violently presses their view above all others; ignoring the laws, rules and denying others' rights and freedom of speech. "Pro-life" gives no right to violently harras, pursue or attack Jews and Jewish students in our cities, on university campuses; gives them no right to block, disturb or even stop teaching at universities. But "pro-life" applies exclusively to Palestinian lives, not to Israelis living near Gaza or Israeli soldiers, Jews in general. Likewise, it doesn't apply to victims in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Sudan, Myanmar, Ukraine since Oct 7th. Nobody of the "pro-life" faction cares about them. That's why I stick to my opinion: it's antisemitism. Thousands of Palestinians died in this war. So did thousands of Afghans and Iraqis after 9/11. Protests? Public uproar? Israel's government also isn't 'slaughtering' innocents deliberately. There's inevitable collateral damage of warfare. Based on counts from Hamas as well as IDF there is currently a ratio of less than 1:1 civilian vs. Hamas deaths. Total numbers are horrible. But please name a war in which there was a lower proportion of civilian deaths. War means death, destruction and suffering of innocents. We should never forget, it wasn't Benji or West Bank settlers who decided to ignite a full-scale war on Oct 7th 2023, but Hamas or the Mullahs in Tehran.

There will never be peace while Adolf Benji and his far right fascist mob and their supporters of stealing what doesn't belong to them keeps on going. Just take a look at the atrocities that are escalating on the West Bank.

I fully agree with you on this. A different moderate government is overdue in Israel to lessen the tensions especially on the West Bank. But Israel is a democracy (which is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried; a quote attributed to Churchill) which you can't say for Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Iran, ... . Democracies need time to adapt political course. Israel's voters decide who governs, not an upset bunch of protestors in western metropolises who dislike 'Adolf Benji's' policy.

Remember South Africa and apartheid? There is no difference between that and what's happening under Adolf Benji and he'll continue doing it just to stay out of jail (him and Donny are just 2 peas that came out of the same pod).

I'm sorry, but I have to reject this comparison. Israel is not an apartheid state. A fifth of its citizens are Arabs, most of them Muslims. A lately growing number of its Jewish citizens are oriental (fairly dark-skinned) Jews, i.e. immigrants from Yemen. Israeli Arabs are represented in parliament. Until 2022 there even was an (Christian) Arab Supreme Court justice. In contrast, Jews have no civil rights in any of Israel's neighboring Arab states today. Until 1948 roughly 900,000 oriental Jews lived in the Arab countries. Since then most of them except a few thousand have been forcibly expelled from their ancient homelands or killed. Unexpected exception: In Iran, the local Persian Jews savor religious freedom (as long as they do not interfere with the Mullahs' rule). These facts are often left aside in order to misrepresent Israel as an apartheid state or some kind of European colonial power; crusaders occupying foreign lands.

I'm sorry, but I can't accept that view of yours.

I can accept and up to a certain degree I also understand your opposing view. I think that in this conflict it is important to take a very close look at the perspectives and its origins of BOTH sides. What's different today compared to 1967, 1973 is the internet and social media, a powerful weapon of psychological warfare. Who masters them best wins the hearts and minds of the world community. Israel, the whole West looks bad in this regard while Hamas knows how to control the world's perception of the war in Gaza. I too recognize the suffering and misery of the residents of Gaza. It's good that the U.S. constructs a temporary off-shore port there. Hopefully, an accepted and independent organization will be able to reliably provide supplies to the residents of Gaza as long as the war continues. The destructive rule of Hamas over Gaza must be stopped or at least circumvented immediately. Hamas forments the plight of the Gazan population to achieve its goal: the destruction of Israel. That was Hamas' main goal from Oct 7th: two million suffering Palestinians. Mission accomplished. Hamas' armed fighters capture relief supplies as soon as trucks enter Gaza, to steal their share... to make money. Significant parts of supplies are blocked, arrested to rot in the mediterranean heat. Supplies are sold instead of given to Gazans for free. It's Hamas not Israel responsible for this unethical, immoral behavior. Not to forget the completely powerless, useless UN.

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Pro Palestine is not antisemitism. It might be anti-Zionism, but Zionism is itself is the exclusion of all others.

Pro Palestine in theory is anti-Zionism. But the aggressive, violent practice on the streets and campuses harassing Jewish Americans and Jewish students is antisemitism. Zionism is the idea to establish a home nation state for Jews who were spread among the orient and occident since ancient times; excluded, harassed and killed in Europe because being 'Jews'. Zionism does not exclude Muslims or Christians. Please compare neighboring Arab states in regard to "exclusion".

If you steal land, war will be waged against you; ask the First Nations people of America.

Ohh, Isn't that the course of the entire history of mankind since the beginning of time? Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Goths, Huns, Normans, Spanish, British, Dutch. Someone was always stealing land, isn't it? Do we want to rewind millenia of history? Do I understand you correctly, the Americans agree to give up colonizing the New World which was a grave mistake that ignored ancient rights of natives? As far as I know, there have always been natives around; even near the first settlement in Virginia in 1585.

Ohh, Isn't that the course of the entire history of mankind since the beginning of time? Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Goths, Huns, Normans, Spanish, British, Dutch.

Absolutely. It's a stone-age thing: if you don't like the look of the neighbours, you throw rocks at them.

The trouble is: we have another side to our brains. We can invent things: bigger, sharper, faster, heavier rocks. Rocks that go whoosh: rocks that go bang. But they're still rocks, and we still throw them at the neighbours.

That side of our brains hasn't moved on: it's still stuck in the stone age.

He and his cohorts should've been already as their list of war crimes keeps on growing (just like the death toll of innocents is) day by day.

Will Netanyahu Be Arrested by ICC? What We Know.

Israel is trying to stop the International Criminal Court (ICC) from issuing arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his defense minister, Yoav Gallant, and senior military officials, it has been reported.

The ICC—which can charge individuals with war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide—is investigating the attacks by Hamas on October 7 and Israel's military assault on Hamas-ruled Gaza that followed it.

Israeli media have reported that the court based in the Hague was pursuing the arrest warrants as pressure builds on Netanyahu to halt the offensive launched in the wake of the terror attacks in which Hamas killed at least 1,200 people and took 253 hostages. Health officials in the Gaza Strip have said that more than 34,000 people have been killed in the Israeli bombardment.

The New York Times reported that five Israeli and foreign officials believe that the ICC is preparing warrants which include for leaders from Hamas. Meanwhile, an unnamed official from Israel told NBC that the country was pursuing diplomatic channels to prevent the warrants being issued.

However, one expert told Newsweek that warrants would not be issued unless the case was "bulletproof."......

These actions (along very many other incidents) were very likely the trigger for Oct. 7.

US determines 5 Israeli security units committed human rights violations before outbreak of Gaza war.

The US State Department has determined that five Israeli security units committed gross violations of human rights prior to the outbreak of the war with Hamas in Gaza, but is still deciding whether to restrict military assistance to one of the units under US law.

The other four “have effectively remediated these violations,” State Department deputy spokesperson Vedant Patel said Monday, without detailing those remediation actions.

The US is still deciding whether to restrict the military assistance to the remaining unit – reported to be the ultra-Orthodox Netzah Yehuda battalion. That battalion was implicated in the January 2022 death of an elderly Palestinian American man.

“We continue to be in consultations and engagements with the Government of Israel. They have submitted additional information as it pertains to that unit, and we’re continuing to have those conversations,” Patel said.

“All of these were incidents much before October 7, and none took place in Gaza,” Patel noted.

According to a source familiar, the Israelis told the US in recent weeks about previously undisclosed actions they’ve taken and the US is reviewing those actions to see whether they are sufficient enough to hold off restricting aid.

In an undated letter to House Speaker Mike Johnson, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said three of the five units are part of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and two are “civilian authority units,” and said the abuses took place in the West Bank.....

But the aggressive, violent practice on the streets and campuses harassing Jewish Americans and Jewish students is antisemitism.

As far as I have seen in news the only violence that has happened is when police were sent in to terminate the protest at least in the USA. In all my years every time the police are sent in, that strikes the match and an orgy of violence follows; that because of the corruption in police forces driving hatred towards them and the police desire to act first, bury evidence quickly. As they go in it reminds of what happened at Kent State; we even have politicians demanding armed National Guard be sent in to "crack heads." I haven't even heard of a rotten vegetable being thrown at a Jewish person from these protests. (Not saying there hasn't been something, just it isn't wide spread or long lasting.) Nasty foul hateful and hurtful language, yes. Not any different than that used in political discourse in the USA today between republicans and democrats. Perhaps not as colorful as used at sporting matches where physical altercations are common.

Then there is the special kid glove protected status with the entitlement. Any disagreement, no matter how small, is taken as the first step that the Nazi's took. Then there is the conflagration of a government and a religion. It becomes utterly impossible to criticize the actions of the government without being accused of being against the religion. With that logical fallacy, it becomes obvious what the purveyors are as their odorous manner spreads and offends.

But the aggressive, violent practice on the streets and campuses harassing Jewish Americans and Jewish students is antisemitism.

I certainly agree with Gary as I've not seen what you're talking about either and I check out many news sites from all around the world.

You do see plenty of propaganda B.S. from Israeli news sites or those under far right Israeli ownership across the world or German news sites that are still on a guilt trip which all amounts to just covering up yet another "holocaust" in action.

Some just need to pull themselves out of the vacuum that's dragging them along in Adolf Benji's and the fascist far right Zionists' wake. What is happening now is no different in any shape or form from what happened under Hitler and his brown shirts back then.

As far as I have seen in news the only violence that has happened is when police were sent in to terminate the protest at least in the USA.

Maybe we have a different understanding of "violent". Protests are not only violent when people are injured and 'peaceful' up to that threshold. Don't mix things up. There are no two sides: protestors vs. the police. There's a state monopoly on legitimate violence against unreasonable people.

I agree to your objection with police violence. Pacify a violent mob or enforce the law against unreasonable violators by 'police measures' requires an overwhelming number of well trained (and well educated!) policemen who know their rules of engagement and protestor's rights in detail and respect them each second. That's almost impossible to achieve... emotions, shouting, threats, fear. Police chiefs or some undersecretary who wrote the rules seldomly ever stand in the first line himself. You clearly should not call the National Guard as long there's an alternative. These guys aren't trained to discuss. Appeasement doesn't work either. A government must enforce the law; if not you're on the path to anarchy.

• religion: Antisemitism is not directed against a religion but an entire people. It makes no difference whether it is Orthodox Jews with conspicuous clothing, hat and sidelocks who visibly pray in public or whether it is young, cosmopolitan Jews abroad who care little about religion. They are Jews and they remain Jews, regardless of whether they are Israelis, Americans, French; whether they visit synagogues, emigrate, marry a foreigner or conceal their origins. The few Jewish German citizens are attacked and harassed frequently, in Berlin and elsewhere. At the moment they don't risk to wear a kippah or star of David in public. Just why? They attract hatred, not because of their religion but because of... "Israel's apartheid policy". It's antisemitism.
  
• right to protest: The freedom of speech and the right to protest allows everyone to criticise Israels government everywhere on public places in liberal democracies. It's a constitutional right but there are some rules to adhere for peaceful protests. I can't see why these rights should anybody allow to besiege a university, to 'occupy' or 'liberate' a campus (from what? Jews? Dissidents?) or other public places, to violently interfer with teaching, with courses. This is not what "right to assemble peacefully" (to protest) in our constitution means. Freedom of speech means pluralism of opinions. It doesn't gives anybody the right to ruthlessly place one's own opinion above all others. The same is true for climate fanatics blocking road traffic or damaging heritage with orange paint.
  

You do see plenty of propaganda B.S. from Israeli news sites or those under far right Israeli ownership across the world or German news sites that are still on a guilt trip which all amounts to just covering up yet another "holocaust" in action.

How do you know what I see? I don't read any Israeli news sites, even not international ones or German Jewish news but German, British, American, infrequently (exile) Russian ones. I also don't think you can classify mainstream German media, newspapers of being one-sided pro-Israel or 'on a guilt trip'. That's not true. But there's no blind zoom to Palestinian convictions, masking out the bigger picture.

When it comes to the holocaust, I'll repeat: There was one holocaust, not comparable to anything. If you insist, please visit Berlin first or e.g. Auschwitz. The last one who insists was PLO's formidable Mahmoud Abbas who felt it suitable to speak about a 'fifty holocausts in Gaza' at a press conference next to our chancelor. Unfortunately, Scholz lacked the resolve to throw this clown out, especially given its terrorist past.

But I'm sorry, I can no longer accept this "guilt trip" B.S. No one is on a 'guilt trip' here. But there's a responsibility we bear from the past: to know the past, to educate younger generations about the past and to clearly identify and call out the signs that indicate antisemitism. Recently that were among others:

• painted stars of David at Jewish restaurants and exterior walls of houses inhabited by Jews
  
• beating up Jews in public, just because they were Jewish resp. Israeli
  
• BDS movement, which literally exclaims: "Kauft nicht bei Juden!" (don't buy from Jews) as was painted on glass fronts of shops in 1933
  
• exclude Jews or Israelis from public discourse, 'mute' their opinion by blocking, harassing, shouting at them, anywhere they dare to speak
  
• refuse to serve Jews/Israelis (cafe/restaurant) or treat them badly (e.g. airport security dwarfs and their bias for vigilantism)
  
• ...
  

Some just need to pull themselves out of the vacuum [...]. What is happening now is no different in any shape or form from what happened under Hitler and his brown shirts back then.

Sorry, but No! The 'brown shirts', the 'SA', harassed and beat up left-wing and liberal opposition supporters who denied their beliefs, blocked them from power (still a democracy then) and rejected their revolutionary goals. That's what the pro-Palestine movement is trying now everywhere in the West: attack dissenting opinions and authorities; elevate their beliefs above others', enforce their will without democratic legitimation.

So I just have to take it that you support Adolf Benji and his mob in their slaughter of innocents, the destruction of their homes as well as the theft of their land.

The world is just getting to be sadder place be. :-(

It's certainly obvious that Adolf Benji doesn't want peace and just wants to continue business as usual.

Israel will invade Rafah regardless of ceasefire negotiation outcome Netanyahu says, as ICC war crimes probe continues.

Get those arrest warrants flowing as well as a whole heap of sanctions happening.

Yes, Benji has repeatedly proclaimed all Palestinians have to die. It is his final solution.

Benji uses the code word Hamas, but it is identical to Palestinian. Just like Israeli is identical to Jew.

... the code word Hamas, but it is identical to Palestinian. Just like Israeli is identical to Jew.

Both of which are incorrect.

Note that there are 'Palestinians' who are Israeli, along with people of various other religions other than Jewish.


Such is the deadly divisive propaganda of 'labels'.

Instead:

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Sadly, people are careful about protecting their own chosen label, but careless with different groupings' chosen label(s).

Note that there are 'Palestinians' who are Israeli, along with people of various other religions other than Jewish.

But are they? They do not have the same rights as an Orthodox Jew.
https://2009-2017.state.gov/documents/organization/160463.pdf

Yes it is long and there are numerous examples.

Well the violence that is going on now in the U.S. is being carried out by people who have no connection to those protesting students and stupid police forces.

Meanwhile Adolf Benji and his Nazi crew are continuing to bomb and shell so called "safe zones". Those so called "safe zones" are just Adolf Benji's version of Auschwitz.