As I have said if they pose a threat to our security then lets try to shoot one down

I think that course of action would be rather foolhardy and considered as an act of war, whether against a manned device or a drone.

I think it is fair to assume that given the age of the stars in our own Milky Way galaxy, that if we evolved, so did others elsewhere. I think the our being "left alone" is mainly due to us being not being generaly known about. Star trek covers that very pont by saying that the Vulcans left us alone until we discovered how to build spaceships that could travel outside the solar system. Buts it's the sheer distance that humans don't fully appreciate. The size of the milkyway is 150,000 light years across.

I think that course of action would be rather foolhardy and considered as an act of war, whether against a manned device or a drone.

I sincerely doubt that "they" are solid objects.----point of order--- our spy planes and drones were shot down a few times by the Russians and the Iranians and we never went to war over it.

Becase we both knew the capablities of the other side. Aliens could detroy the earth in 24 hours!

In point of fact, there are a number of recorded incidents, where people, both military and civilian, have fired at craft-like UFOs with guns of varying caliber. The rounds don't seem have had any effect at all. This is hardly surprising, if we consider a technology that could transport its users from one star system to another. They would presumably have already perfected the art of deflecting space objects, such as meteoroids, in order to make such voyages feasible. Such technology could very probably repel bullets, as well.

They might well deplore our shooting at them, as evidence of a truculent, fearful attitude on our part, but spiteful or vengeful reactions do not seem to occur. Refraining from such belligerence is still desirable, though, as we could then show ourselves to be ready, or at least readier than we are now, for open contact with the civilized denizens of the galaxy.

Most governments in the world accept that UFO's do exist, we just don't know what they are or where they come from. If your views are different fair enough, but hallucinations don't appear on recordings of radar plots. Hoever no 100% reliable accounts of actual landings are available.

"Your beliefs are unwarranted by the evidence". Bertrand Russell

Try telling that to the worlds reglious.

The most famous instance of weapons fire directed at a UFO is known as 'The Battle of Los Angeles'. It occurred on February 25th, 1942.

Military defenses around Los Angeles were watching for a Japanese air attack. At 2:00 a.m., radar detected an object about 120 miles West of the city. By three, it had reached the coast. Various air defense units opened fire. These included .50 caliber anti-aircraft machine guns and AA cannons firing 3-inch shells. Over 1400 rounds were fired in all.

Converging searchlights revealed a large bi-convex shape, like the edge of a discus. As the beams of the searchlight are completely blocked by the object, it was presumably something large and solid. Eventually the object disappeared and the firing ceased. Post war records later revealed that the Japanese had never conducted such an attack. The military was never able to offer a satisfactory, mundane explanation for what had happened that night.

I would say a classic example of a UFO. If fulfills all the criteria, i.e. a solid shape, obviously under control, and withstood military firepower aimed at it. Beyond anything we could make on earth. It would have been added to files marked "not known at this time". One further comment if its source was extraterrestral then its owners would have been aware of WWII and understood the earth attack.

The UFO incursion that caused the 'Battle of Los Angeles' may have been an intentional, provocative test of our military prowess. The object moved toward the mainland at a slow enough speed, as to allow it to be detected on radar, and all defensive forces to be brought to bear on it.

The intelligences behind the UFOs clearly seemed interested in our war-making tendencies and capabilities, even this far back in time. UFOs, usually called 'foo-fighters', were often reported in the European Theatre of Operations.

These objects had flight characteristics similar to those found in modern UFO reports.; Plainly superior to our own aircraft, then, or now. This raises an additional interesting point. If these were secret weapons of the Allied Powers, or the Axis, and such technology was available 80 years ago, why did this never come to light, after the war? And why isn't such aircraft technology in common use today? In fact-- both the Allies and the Axis each thought that the other side was responsible for these 'foo fighters.

These things were clearly perceived to be intelligently guided machines. If neither side, the leading technical powers of the day, were responsible for them, a logical conclusion seems fairly obvious.

If neither side, the leading technical powers of the day, were responsible for them, a logical conclusion seems fairly obvious.

It would seem the most likely of the possibilities.


The SR71 Blackbird was often mistaken for a UFO during testing at Area 51, and I expect the SR72 will be as well. So might the Boeing X-51 Waverider. Rssia must have something newer than the MIG 31 these days.

It has been suggested over the years that any alien probe monitoring Earth would be located at one of the Lagrange Points, LP1 - LP5.

The James Webb space telescope has just arrived at LP2, so that one is out then.

L2 isn't necessarily 'out' as a position for an ET space probe. Because of minor stability factors, any object near it will actually circle the geometrical L2 point in a fairly large orbit. The Webb is doing that now.

If an ET space probe is, as well, it could be on the far side of that orbit. The Webb might catch sight of it eventually, or it might, in time, become apparent by the cumulative gravitational effects such a probe could have on the JWST.

It would be the height of irony, wouldn't it, if that telescope, intended to spot signs of life on planets trillions or quadrillions of kilometers away, actually found such an ET probe within a few hundred thousand of kilometers of itself?

Good points there. For some reason LP5 has been the favourite location. But as I understand it there have been so many shuttle flights now that if there had been anything at LP1-5, it would have been detected. If there is anything at LP2 it is reasonable to assume that it is monitored and therefore would be aware of the JWST, and likely moved elsewhere. Assuming again of course that if they exist they wish to clandestinely observe us not announce their presence.

I do believe that UFO's exist, but what they are and where they come from, I am no wiser than anybody else. I have always felt that the Lagrange points are a bit too close to Earth to park a space vehicle or Mother Craft, not to be found in timeas our science capabilities increase. I have favoured orbiting a moon of an outer planet, say Neptune with 14 moons. Again It is being assumed that UFO's need re-fuelling and some where to do it.

So far we have reached Saturn with the Cassini probe, but it will be many decades yet before we reach the outermost planets of Uranus and Neptune, or even dwarf planet Pluto. Although NASA's New Horizons space probe made a close flyby of Pluto in 2015.

ET probes might or might not be programmed to avoid discovery by us. It's possible that our discovering one could be considered the appropriate time for interspecies contact, which the probe could initiate, even if we didn't try to do so first.

None of the Space Shuttle missions went beyond low Earth orbit, so never came near any of the Lagrange Points. If the probes are small, they could easily have been missed altogether, or written off as something trivial.

There have been a few scientific searches for ET probes at Lagrange Points. None of which I'm aware, had high enough resolution or light sensitivity to rule out small, or otherwise inconspicuous probes.

For all we know we could actually be part of some alien version of the "Discovery" channel in a series that's been playing across multiple galaxies for eons (though we could also be on a comedy channel).

But for some that would be far too belittling even to imagine.

Yes! - 'Funniest Human Videos' on the Galactic Television Network. I wouldn't worry about it though-- given another million years, maybe we'll manage to straighten up and fly right. . .

Sci Fi films have pondered this problem for many years. The film Space Odyessy 2001 had a black monolith found buried on the moon. This when discovered sent a signal to its big brother orbiting Jupiter, which in turn sent it to somewhere else in space. Star Trek had the Vulcans only reveal themselves when mankind invented warp speed. In all cases they only activated themselves when we got to a certain stage in evolution. If there are any monitoring probes we don't know what level they may be set at.

Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy took a deliberate humourous look at it all with Deep Thought and 42, neurotic robots, and a super galactic highway. Independence day cast aliens as violent. Space travel is a pretty serious matter, I doubt that anything out there would see it as comedic. Certainly the Borg and Klingons didn't.

I've already mentioned that a number of religions depict their gods as coming from the sky, and there are places on earth that can only be fullly appreciated from the air (Nazca, Pyramids) The odds are likely that we may have been visited before in the past, if so it would seem logical that they left something behind that when triggered would alert them to a certain stage in our development.

We just have to find it. I doubt that it is on our planet, it couldbe accidentally found. Somewhere else within the solar system seems more likely.