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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
They have had a program such as this for decades--the same rational for it was stated as now. It seems that we forgot what we are doing and people have come forward eager to waste more money or try to profit from an ignorant populace by feeding them pap and conspiracy stories. Why the alleged secrecy ? |
Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1384 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
As early as 1948, the United States Air Force' Project Sign arrived at an explanation for the reports of Unidentified Flying Objects they had studied. They found that the likeliest explanation was spacecraft from other worlds. This conclusion was arbitrarily rejected by General Hoyt Vandenberg, Air Force Chief of Staff, at the time. The General had not participated in the study. He had no apparent training that qualified him to objectively form such a judgment. The problem the military has with its UFO studies does not rest with their quality , or that of the data. It is an unwillingness to admit the fact that Earth has received visitors from other worlds. Further, that the technology involved clearly surpasses our own, leaving our own military forces unable to control these visits. The result has been that the UFO phenomenon has persisted over these many decades. The hypothesized secret, Earthly technology that is supposed to explain these things has never been found out. The military sees the phenomenon, has no other valid explanation, yet can never quite bring itself to openly admit the extraterrestrial explanation for Unidentified Flying Objects, at least so far. . . |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Where did they come from and how did they get here and where is a coherent picture of them. And if there were proof then why would it need to be kept a secret. Perhaps they were repeats of previous ET's visiting Earth. Perhaps from heaven--more foolishness and lack of critical thinking. |
Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1384 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
Answering the sort of questions posed seems a bit beyond us at the moment. It still remains for us to come to a common understanding that extraterrestrials visits actually occur. Matters like origins, technologies, and an 'anthropology' of extraterrestrial intelligent beings, are all intriguing topics. Firm answers, though, will obviously require a great deal of further study and the cooperation of the 'ETs' themselves. The recent findings of astronomy, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, indicate that there could be 40 billion habitable planets in our galaxy. Even if only one in a million of these were really suitable, that would still provide a great many worlds for intelligent life. The work of Dr. White at NASA hints at the real possibility of one day making interstellar space travel practical, by manipulating the space around a vessel. Global velocities in excess of that of light might well be possible, without even violating the local light speed limit specified by Relativity Theory. I mentioned in my last post a possible explanation for the reluctance of the military to speak frankly about its findings on UFOs. Besides their having to admit being outclassed and made virtually irrelevant by a civilization with vastly greater technology, there may be other factors, too. They may be reluctant to disclose just how little they know, really, about a phenomenon that has been gracing our skies for many decades. There may also be dark, reactionary superstitions in some quarters about extraterrestrials really being some sort of 'demons' out of religious lore, rather than natural beings like ourselves. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
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Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1384 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
Why is the American military is being slightly more forthcoming about Unidentified Flying Objects than was previously the case, you mean? The New York Times front-page article, in December 2017, wherein certain information was let out unexpectedly by a Pentagon insider seems to have started the process. It was revealed that a group in the Pentagon had studied some recent UFO reports, which it could not explain. The military has apparently been trying since then to cope with and manage the flow of such information, and deal with its possible implications. It's long been reported that there is a faction within the military and intelligence community, which favors revealing what is known about UFOs. They are apparently making some progress in advancing their agenda, lately. Since this tug-of-war has apparently been going on for decades, it may simply be that the 'old-guard' favoring concealment has died out over the years, and that the 'reveal' faction has come to the fore. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
There is no god. There is no Santa Claus and there are no ET's in our skies. If there are 40 billion habitable planets then we ought to be able to name just one and listen in to a lot of chatter. There are far far fewer and they would be tens of thousands of light years apart. Faster than light is not possible now or ever. What are they doing here to begin with? What is their mission. This is disturbing to me as my wife and daughter watching Vampire series on TV. Remember the U in UFO means "unidentified" but can be attributed to Natural Phenomena. Have you seen one. I have lived on perhaps a dozen military bases and have never even heard of a sighting. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
They couldn't keep a secret if ever there was one--the Russians and Chinese would have spied it out by now. |
Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1384 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
Our ability to receive routine radio transmissions from other stars in quite limited. Suppose these were, as seems entirely reasonable, efficiently digitally modulated. They might well appear to us very like natural radio noise, as long as we lacked the specific decoding instructions. We have a very limited knowledge of conditions on exoplanets. We have no knowledge of how many have been modified to make them habitable, and then colonized, nor even how many were naturally habitable to begin with. I don't know that other military powers would care to reveal detailed knowledge of UFOs. To do so would cast them in the same light as it would the United States -- aware of their existence, but unable to do anything about it. What military or government wants to look weak and ineffective? Many things possible to us were once deemed impossible, based on the physics and technology of an earlier time. Heavier-than-air flight, atomic energy, and practical wireless signaling all come to mind. Just how are we to know what will be discovered by a more advanced science and technology, with more time to develop than we have enjoyed? As long as we are not in contact with any extraterrestrial intelligent species, we are scarcely in a position to know their motives or purposes. One can speculate here, of course. Perhaps their fleeting appearance is intended to gradually accustom us to their presence, before they make open contact with us. Perhaps they wish to catch us early, and clue us in about being responsible galactic citizens, before we become, on our own, an aggressive problem to other worlds. Since you ask, yes , I have had several UFO sightings. These were good enough, in some cases, to rule out any reasonable mundane explanations. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
lets see the pictures and instructions on how to modify a planet to be habitable. We can easily tell if a transmission is random noise or contains modulation and content. So--- lets see--are there one or many ufo's. Do they talk among themselves--what have we heard ? are they all from the same planet or other dimension ? What is their source of propulsion. Why no sonic booms ? |
Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1384 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
There has been much discussion in the scientific literature about the terraforming of planets to make them habitable. The techniques discussed would be possible only in the future, or to a technology far more advanced than our own. I won't recount the details here, as that would take us far-afield from the topic of this thread. No doubt a more technically advanced civilization could have ideas and capabilities of this sort, which we haven't even considered. There are indeed digitized signals that are very difficult to distinguish from random noise. These are already sometimes used as secure channels, for this very reason. Spread Spectrum signals are dispersed over a very wide range of frequencies, either serially, or in a randomized, very rapid hopping from one set of frequencies to another. A more advanced civilization could easily be even cleverer than we are in such concealment, seeing as how they apparently don't wish to appear openly to us at the moment. I have no more idea of how UFOs are propelled, or why they don't make sonic booms, than a caveman could have understood the working of a jet plane. In a previous post I made a reference to some scientific work in this area, being done at NASA. It's merely speculation on my part that this is same means of propulsion used by UFOs. Further, on the issue of sonic booms--There are a large number of reports of unexplained booms in the sky that can not be ascribed to our aircraft, or other mundane causes. These go back to a time before our planes could reach or surpass the speed of sound. The possible implications in respect to UFOs should be obvious. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Atmospheric Phenomenon; perhaps thunder ? |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
https://www.foxnews.com/science/ufo-research-could-change-the-world-blink-182-co-founder-says UFO research 'could change the world,' Blink-182 co-founder says ('I'm a big part of a mechanism that is absolutely profound,' Tom DeLonge said") In a new interview, Blink-182 co-founder Tom DeLonge said the research he and his To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science organization is doing on UFOs could "change the world." Speaking to Sky News, DeLonge, the former guitarist for the band, said he has seen "enormous amounts of data" and would not have made the commitment he has to chase something that is mere "pie in the sky." |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
The U.S. has evidence of UFOs breaking the sound barrier without a sonic boom and making maneuvers impossible with known technology, the former Director of National Intelligence has revealed. The revelations increased excitement about a forthcoming report detailing what the U.S. government has observed. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9387129/There-lot-sightings-public-Anticipation-mounts-ahead-UFO-report.html?ito=push-notification&ci=104613&si=26498549#comments US has 'secret evidence of UFOs breaking sound barrier without a sonic boom and performing moves humans don't have the technology for', says Trump's Director of National Intelligence |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
Sorry, can't find the other article where it says night vision saw triangle UFO. Just the Govt. most likely letting us know what they have. |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
found a link. no it's video. https://www.cnn.com/videos/business-videos/2021/04/15/navy-pyramid-ufo-video-orig-jm-kj.cnn/video/playlists/business-news/ Pentagon confirms UFO video is real, taken by Navy pilot A pyramid-shaped object seen flying through the sky has been confirmed by the Pentagon as an unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP). Source: CNN |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
https://nypost.com/2021/04/30/former-sen-harry-reid-thinks-lockheed-martin-may-have-ufo-fragments/ Former Sen. Harry Reid thinks Lockheed Martin may have UFO fragments ufo details released around June 2021. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
If so they are the balloon fragments from 60 years ago. Why the wait--lets see them now. Who is getting rich or famous over this nonsense. |
Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1384 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
Yes, we've read a good deal about what the U.S. military may reveal, in June, about its knowledge of Unidentified Flying Objects. I'm , of course, interested to learn what may come to light. What has already been admitted indirectly is quite intriguing. Apparently solid objects moving in ways that can not be explained by known technology. Claims that pieces of such objects are held and have been analyzed by competent experts. Of course a number of governments around the world have already issued reports stating that the most probable explanation for some persistently unidentified flying objects is intelligent life from other worlds. Even the U.S. military made a report with the same admission, though largely suppressed, at the conclusion of its Project Sign in the 1950s I wonder if the real sticking point, where the United States is concerned, isn't connected to its superpower status, and a reluctance to admit that there are machines flying about that it can neither identify, nor control. If this is a correct analysis of the status quo, one wonders-- what has changed to make such an admission come out now, assuming a really substantial admission is forthcoming? |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Lets see if your statements are true. I wager that any announcement will be nothing more than speculation and weasel words. What solid objects? Physics is not suspended --where did they come from ?. What a shame to bring this up now when we have so much shoddy journalism to begin with. |
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