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Message 2054094 - Posted: 26 Jul 2020, 2:35:08 UTC

True story to be released.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-nyt-pentagon-ufo-unit-20200723-b3akzzy44zdgxc3bmhgko6nkgm-story.html#nt=oft-Double%20Chain~Recommender~top-news-chain-2~more-top-news-rec~~3~no-art~automated~curatedpage

No longer in the shadows, Pentagon’s UFO unit will make some findings public

Despite Pentagon statements that it disbanded a once-covert program to investigate unidentified flying objects, the effort remains underway — renamed and tucked inside the Office of Naval Intelligence, where officials continue to study mystifying encounters between military pilots and unidentified aerial vehicles.
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Message 2054095 - Posted: 26 Jul 2020, 2:37:14 UTC - in response to Message 2054094.  
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Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon UFO program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”

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Message 2054147 - Posted: 26 Jul 2020, 14:47:20 UTC

Dr. Eric W. Davis, PhD. (Astrophysics, University of Arizona, 1991) implies that materials in the custody of the United States military is from an extraterrestrial civilization. It is apparently supposed to be from the space vessels of such a civilization, which traveled to Earth. This is, of course, a very large claim, in need of substantiation.

I welcome any information that the Pentagon UFO/UAP group or Naval Intelligence is reportedly preparing to release , which would support Dr. Davis' remarks. Even the possibility that this will occur strikes me as remarkable, and that is putting it very mildly. The question of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations is a very large and important one in itself. The idea that, in addition, we are visited by such civilizations is in a truly world-shaking category, all by itself.
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Message 2054165 - Posted: 26 Jul 2020, 19:07:19 UTC - in response to Message 2054095.  

What I think is that he was teasing the UFO nuts with mentioning "Material" which is nothing but a set of file folders with all of the sighting report. When He says we couldn't make it ourselves he probably meant the the reports of instantaneous acceleration couldn't be achieved by us here on Earth.

So here are the questions not being discussed in the light of these sightings suggested to be from another planet:

Where are they from
How did they go faster than the speed of light.
Why weren't there sonic booms and so on.
if they were close enough to travel here then why haven't we heard them on their home planet after 50 years of listening.
Not a one has crashed
There is no artifact whatsoever from these claims.
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Message 2054174 - Posted: 26 Jul 2020, 22:50:08 UTC
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Well, I think that we must crawl before we can walk! before we can learn where a supposed race of extraterrestrial came from, or how their technology works, we must establish that we have firm evidence that they exist, and have visited Earth.

As for crashes, I believe the claim says that some vessel or machine of theirs is reputed to have done just that. This is apparently how at least some of alleged debris is supposed to have fallen into the hands of the military.

The hope here is that what the Pentagon is preparing to do, is to produce the supposed extraterrestrial artifacts, and their findings about alleged UFO/UAP wreckage or debris. Further, it's hoped that this evidence can firmly establish an extraterrestrial, technological source, confirming Dr. Davis' remarks.
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Message 2054177 - Posted: 27 Jul 2020, 1:09:09 UTC - in response to Message 2054174.  

OK , I eagerly await the public display of these material artifacts. When and where is this going to take place.

So these are from a putative ship that crashed--don't hold your breath and don't bet on it.
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Message 2054178 - Posted: 27 Jul 2020, 1:28:20 UTC - in response to Message 2054177.  

William, they will not be released that soon.

The original story is form the New York Times. This one is a dupe.
https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2020/04/27/pentagon-releases-videos-of-encounters-between-ufos-and-navy-pilots/
Pentagon releases videos of encounters between UFOs and Navy pilots

After verifying the authenticity of the footage years ago, the Pentagon has finally released three videos of separate encounters between Navy pilots and unidentified flying objects.

The videos — two were taken in January 2015, while the third dates back to November 2004 — were released “in order to clear up any misconceptions by the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real, or whether or not there is more to the videos,” Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough said.
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Message 2054254 - Posted: 28 Jul 2020, 14:15:36 UTC
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A follow-up article today in the New York Times, also by Blumenthal and Kean. They make it clear that highly placed persons in the U.S. military establishment are aware of crash retrievals of unexplained flying objects. Further, that these persons were willing to talk about this to the two reporters, at least in general terms. The objects are not simply viewed as reasonable new developments in human technology, but something unusual enough to suggest an off-worlds origin.

Please find a link to the article, below:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/insider/UFO-reporting.html
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Message 2054255 - Posted: 28 Jul 2020, 14:45:52 UTC - in response to Message 2054254.  

A follow-up article today in the New York Times, also by Blumenthal and Kean. They make it clear that highly placed persons in the U.S. military establishment are aware of crash retrievals of unexplained flying objects. Further, that these persons were willing to talk about this to the two reporters, at least in general terms. The objects are not simply viewed as reasonable new developments in human technology, but something unusual enough to suggest an off-worlds origin.

Please find a link to the article, below:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/insider/UFO-reporting.html

Content is behind a paywall.
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Message 2054259 - Posted: 28 Jul 2020, 15:36:07 UTC - in response to Message 2054255.  
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Sorry to learn that you couldn't use the link. From here in the USA, I found it accessible, without payment. Sometimes, different limitations may be applied by the publisher, as far as other countries are concerned. If a news site in Europe reprints the article, you may be able to view it there.
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Message 2054263 - Posted: 28 Jul 2020, 16:19:01 UTC

Well, at least they're moving on from the term "UFO".
We were provided a series of unclassified slides showing that the program took this seriously enough to include it in numerous briefings. One slide says one of the program’s tasks was to “arrange for access to data/reports/materials from crash retrievals of A.A.V.’s,” or advanced aerospace vehicles.
Our sources told us that “A.A.V.” does not refer to vehicles made in any country — not Russian or Chinese — but is used to mean technology in the realm of the truly unexplained. They also assure us that their briefings are based on facts, not belief.
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Message 2054264 - Posted: 28 Jul 2020, 16:29:42 UTC

Here is a long interview, one hour, with the authors of the article Ralph Blumenthal & Leslie Kean that NYT published.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvOWnhNv-ys
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Message 2054267 - Posted: 28 Jul 2020, 17:23:33 UTC - in response to Message 2054264.  

Here is a long interview, one hour, with the authors of the article Ralph Blumenthal & Leslie Kean that NYT published.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvOWnhNv-ys

Thank you moomin. I'm listening now.
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Message 2054281 - Posted: 28 Jul 2020, 23:41:38 UTC - in response to Message 2054255.  

The only such artifacts were from high altitude balloons that we used to spy on the Russians by listening for atomic tests.
The balloons had a silvery mesh cloth to keep down the heating from the sun. When the balloons rose high enough they would eventually fail and fall to Earth.
Also --why the wait and why the mystery and Mumbo Jumbo? Where are the high resolution photographs.

This nonsense was put to bed decades ago.
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Message 2054304 - Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 13:22:54 UTC

Well sir, you are apparently referring to one, widely disputed, explanation of one alleged case of UFO/UAP crash retrieval, namely the one that is supposed to have occurred in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. It's not clear that that the Pentagon and Naval Intelligence are currently concerning themselves with a matter that occurred well over 70 years ago.

If they were, they'd pretty obviously have the mundane explanation already offered by the military. Either they'd accept that explanation, and there would be no mystery to solve, as far as they're concerned, or they'd question that explanation, and would presumably have good cause for doing so.
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Message 2054329 - Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 1:37:30 UTC - in response to Message 2054304.  
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here you go. Why all the mystery over some surmised disclosure--lets get on with it and see what they have and are gushing coyly over.



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Message 2054335 - Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 5:33:32 UTC

Well maybe we will see some more "alien" debris in Roswell, New Mexico.
https://vimeo.com/265474411
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Message 2054453 - Posted: 1 Aug 2020, 2:05:22 UTC - in response to Message 2054335.  

More of the same..True or not?
Bombshell: The government’s once-clandestine UFO program will reveal findings on unexplained materials and crashes.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a33413777/pentagon-ufo-program-materials-vehicles/
They are checking if materials found is from Russia or China??

Pentagon Has ‘Off-World Vehicles Not Made on This Earth’

The Pentagon's on-and-off-again, once-covert UFO program is decidedly back on—and will soon reveal some of its findings to the public.
An astrophysicist who consulted on the UFO program confirms the government possesses materials from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
The news comes on the heels of the Navy's official release of three notorious UFO videos.
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Message 2054464 - Posted: 1 Aug 2020, 4:22:11 UTC - in response to Message 2054453.  

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Message 2054491 - Posted: 1 Aug 2020, 12:57:23 UTC - in response to Message 2054453.  

"off world" Nonsense. Lets see them !
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