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Message 2052213 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 14:43:55 UTC - in response to Message 2052208.  

IMHO: Don't automatically believe the politically inspired "reporting" of either side's News [sic] Media.


Thank GOD, we have reliable Polls to give us the real picture....................[/sarcasm]

Looking at the new page at fivethirtyeight one gets the impression you might be one of few remaining Trump supporters in Colorado.

Colorado heads the table Titled, Biden leads nationally and in most swing states
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Message 2052218 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 15:21:48 UTC - in response to Message 2052217.  

IMHO: Don't automatically believe the politically inspired "reporting" of either side's News [sic] Media.


Thank GOD, we have reliable Polls to give us the real picture....................[/sarcasm]

What is happening outside of the International and National News [sic} Media, the Washington "beltway", Pro Democrat Social Media Giant's silencing opinions they disagree with, etc.

May possibly just result in a rerun of what the bonkers Polls predicted in 2016.

What was bonkers about the polls in 2016?

The results were within the normal predicted range, Clinton won the popular vote, but Trump won because of the weird US Electoral college system which is biased to the smaller population states and they are mainly Republican.
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Message 2052221 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 15:51:00 UTC - in response to Message 2052218.  

The results were within the normal predicted range, Clinton won the popular vote, but Trump won because of the weird US Electoral college system which is biased to the smaller population states and they are mainly Republican.


With some numbers:

Wyoming: Population 578,800 with 3 electoral college votes, each vote represents 578,800/3 = 192,919 people
New York: Population 19,450,000 with 29 electoral college votes, each vote represents 19,450,000/29 = 670,690 people

Wyoming therefore has 670,690 / 192,919 = 3.48x as much leverage per capita in choosing the President.

Again, Canada's not much better with our parliamentary system where the prime minister isn't voted for directly, but instead elected by being the member of the party that wins the most seats. (Ironically, this kept the Conservative from being elected in our last election... he won the popular vote, and IMHO should be prime minister.) The odd part of the U.S. system is that the electoral college is a redundant add-on to this whereas it could simply be the party that wins the most seats in the House. This would be like the electoral college without the electoral college.
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Message 2052223 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 16:28:15 UTC - in response to Message 2052221.  

The results were within the normal predicted range, Clinton won the popular vote, but Trump won because of the weird US Electoral college system which is biased to the smaller population states and they are mainly Republican.


With some numbers:

Wyoming: Population 578,800 with 3 electoral college votes, each vote represents 578,800/3 = 192,919 people
New York: Population 19,450,000 with 29 electoral college votes, each vote represents 19,450,000/29 = 670,690 people

Wyoming therefore has 670,690 / 192,919 = 3.48x as much leverage per capita in choosing the President.

Again, Canada's not much better with our parliamentary system where the prime minister isn't voted for directly, but instead elected by being the member of the party that wins the most seats. (Ironically, this kept the Conservative from being elected in our last election... he won the popular vote, and IMHO should be prime minister.) The odd part of the U.S. system is that the electoral college is a redundant add-on to this whereas it could simply be the party that wins the most seats in the House. This would be like the electoral college without the electoral college.

There is some logic in Canada, the UK and other countries where the leader is chosen by the elected members, in that the leader is leading their party. If the leader was chosen separately it could be that the leader gets nothing done because the majority of the parliament opposes them. Just like the Carter years in the US.
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Message 2052224 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 16:31:34 UTC - in response to Message 2052222.  
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BTW: The majority of voter's wanted neither Hillary nor Donald to be President. A fact that is inconvenient for some to acknowledge for the past 3+ years.

Just another example of the screwed up system of choosing the Countries leader.

And answer the question,
What was bonkers about the polls in 2016?
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Message 2052225 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 16:53:10 UTC

IMO very good news, Trump will not be pleased.
Supreme Court blocks Trump from ending DACA
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/politics/daca-immigration-supreme-court/index.html
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Message 2052227 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 17:30:45 UTC

A truth that I think is universal:
If one dares to change the way a country's leader is selected then a very vocal group will be outraged;
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If it is left it as it is then a very vocal group will be outraged.

But most will just shrug their shoulders and carry on
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Message 2052228 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 17:31:23 UTC

Further Trump-isms:


John Bolton: White House makes last gasp bid to stop book's release


John Bolton: Ten biggest claims in his Donald Trump book


... And we're only in the 'early days' of the run up to the USA voting...

Is that any way to run a country?


All only in the USA?

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Message 2052229 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 17:31:47 UTC

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-disconnect-analysi/months-before-election-trump-finds-himself-at-odds-with-most-americans-views-idUSKBN23P1LB
But more revealingly, they show a president increasingly disconnected from the American electorate whose views have changed rapidly following the May 25 death of George Floyd, an unarmed black man, while in Minneapolis police custody.

The lightning-quick shift in public opinion has caused the National Football League and NASCAR to embrace athletes protesting racial injustice, and some companies to rename brands criticized for racial stereotypes, such as PepsiCo Inc’s (PEP.O) Aunt Jemima pancake mix and syrup.

Trump takes the less-popular side of issues that Americans right now say matter, such as the coronavirus pandemic and police reform, according to an analysis of Reuters/Ipsos polling data since March.

It also shows him steadily bleeding support among a broad swath of voters, even ones that have been most loyal to him such as rural Americans and white evangelicals.*

Even traditionally Republican-leaning groups - men, white suburban women and those older than 55 - have recently flipped for Biden, the polling analysis shows. Trump led elderly voters until May.

“His continued focus on his base is costing him among a handful of moderate Republicans and independents,” said John Geer, a political science professor at Vanderbilt University who reviewed the polling data. “If this trend continues, this election could end up being very lopsided against the incumbent.”

*https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85541&postid=2052205
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Message 2052231 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 17:45:10 UTC

Off the deep end
“These horrible & politically charged decisions coming out of the Supreme Court are shotgun blasts into the face of people that are proud to call themselves Republicans or Conservatives."

Translation: The Constitution is shotgun blasts into the face of people that are proud to call themselves Republicans or Conservatives.
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Message 2052232 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 17:47:45 UTC - in response to Message 2052149.  
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... And the next question of influence comes with:

Who really controls the voting?


Note carefully what has already happened for just one example:

YouTube: 'Facebook Trumps Voting'...


Also note how some groups are 'dependent' on social media and for how vulnerable those groups are to Conspiracies and Fake News:


Social media users more likely to believe conspiracies
wrote:
... conspiracy theories have been plentiful in recent months.

Now, research indicates that people who get their news from social media are more likely to believe in such theories ... Researchers from King's College London and Ipsos Mori found that some conspiracy theories were believed by quite a high proportion of the population...

... people who believed in conspiracy theories tended to be more dependent on social media for information and were less likely to follow official health advice...

... 45% of 16-to-24 year olds said they got much of their information from YouTube, while nearly 40% of the under-35s said Facebook was a major source for them...

... Some of the more extreme conspiracy theorists have found themselves banned from a number of the platforms, but ... you will still find a wealth of conspiratorial material...

(The focus of that article is regarding news about Coronavirus. However, those figures also highlight the potent poison of so called 'Fake News'. Or in reality, placed propaganda?)



We're still yet a few months away from the next 'big vote' in the USA...

All only in the USA?

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Message 2052234 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 18:19:22 UTC

Is King Donald an anti-Semite?
New York (CNN Business)Facebook (FB) on Thursday said it had take action against ads run by President Trump's re-election campaign for breaching its policies on hate. The ads, which attacked what the Trump campaign described as "Dangerous MOBS of far-left groups," featured an upside-down triangle.
The Anti-Defamation League said Thursday the triangle "is practically identical to that used by the Nazi regime to classify political prisoners in concentration camps."
"We removed these posts and ads for violating our policy against organized hate. Our policy prohibits using a banned hate group's symbol to identify political prisoners without the context that condemns or discusses the symbol," Andy Stone, a Facebook spokesperson, told CNN Business.
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Message 2052235 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 18:57:25 UTC - in response to Message 2052231.  

Off the deep end
“These horrible & politically charged decisions coming out of the Supreme Court are shotgun blasts into the face of people that are proud to call themselves Republicans or Conservatives."

Translation: The Constitution is shotgun blasts into the face of people that are proud to call themselves Republicans or Conservatives.

This isn't going to improve Trump's mood one iota I guess, Trump's bid to end Obama-era immigration policy ruled unlawful
The US Supreme Court has ruled against President Donald Trump's bid to end a programme that protects hundreds of thousands of young immigrants from deportation.

The justices upheld lower court rulings which found his move to rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (Daca) programme was "unlawful".

It protects "Dreamers" - undocumented youths brought to the US as children.

The Trump administration has sought to end the Obama-era policy since 2017.

The Supreme Court took up the case after lower courts ruled that the Trump administration did not adequately explain why it was ending the programme, criticising the White House's "capricious" explanations.
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Message 2052236 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 19:38:08 UTC

Trump doesn't like that John Bolton is writing a book ”The Room Where It Happened” about him.
For example it mention that Trump didn't knew that Britain is a nuclear power.
That he doesn't know that Finland doesn't belong to Russia.
Lot's of more blunders as well.
He claims that Trump has repeatedly said he wants to stop criminal investigations as a personal service to dictators he likes.
"There appeared to be a pattern of obstruction of justice as a way of life, which we could not accept," Bolton writes, expressing his concern with Justice Minister William Barr.
Bolton also claims that Trump, at the G20 summit in Japan last year, asked Chinese President Xi Jinping to buy large quantities of agricultural products from the United States. The aim should have been to increase his chances of being re-elected through increased support from agricultural states.

Trump want to sue the publishers or at least stop the publication because he think that information is classified.
Trump the world leader first class:(
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Message 2052240 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 20:20:13 UTC - in response to Message 2052238.  
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... The Upside Down Triangle used in the ad. Was an ANTI-NAZI designation worn by ANTI-NAZI political prisoner's in their concentration camps...

The use of that in any advertisement sounds extremely suspicious and suspect and very suspicious of extreme and nasty motives.

Regardless of what the excuse might be or what the supposed claims might be, to even include such symbolism can be seen to be a hateful 'reminder'. There simply is no need for that. Especially so in our already presently fraught times.

Is that actually a "Fake" advert deliberately designed to stir up further trouble?...


Such hate and stupidity is better left to the past to be noted as one of the more nasty episodes of history never to be repeated.


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Message 2052242 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 20:29:54 UTC - in response to Message 2052241.  

... The Upside Down Triangle noted, is not Pro Nazi. It denote's ANTI-NAZISM and people fighting AGAINST the NAZI'S. As what Antifa says it does...

... And oh what a clever blame game and game of anti-memes bad actors play...

You can be sure that the symbolism will be subverted and used instead to attack some group or other. All 'just' a 'game' of stirring up trouble between certain groups?

Regardless of what the supposed message might be, that looks to be the sort of extremism game to play to stir up trouble.

Otherwise, why push such extremism/extreme-symbolism other than to enrage some group or other into causing trouble?


There simply is no need for such nasty provocation in advertising.

Again, that is all extremely suspicious.

Will be interesting to uncover the real sponsors and the real motives behind that...


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Message 2052247 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 20:51:41 UTC

The Upside Down Triangle? It is also called a Nabla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabla_symbol Has nothing to do with any Nazi views. But then the swastika is neither... Whatever. Trump is not really a racist or anti-Semite though his father Fred always tried to hide the fact that the family originate from Germany and instead saying they came from Sweden:)
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Message 2052249 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 20:58:40 UTC - in response to Message 2052247.  

... Trump ... his father Fred always tried to hide the fact that the family originate from Germany...

Ahhh... So is that the connection?

To stir nasty associations against Trump and to get that in the news with some even more nasty stirred-up rioting?

Hopefully the USA is better educated and civilized than to fall for such silliness. Surely?


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Message 2052257 - Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 21:32:11 UTC - in response to Message 2052249.  

... Trump ... his father Fred always tried to hide the fact that the family originate from Germany...

Ahhh... So is that the connection?
To stir nasty associations against Trump and to get that in the news with some even more nasty stirred-up rioting?
Hopefully the USA is better educated and civilized than to fall for such silliness. Surely?
There is no connections what so ever of Trump's family origins and to the riots what we see today in the US. I was merely giving descriptions and backgrounds to the so called world leader Donald Trump.
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