Boeing: Profits 1st, Safety 2nd? (Part 3)
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 Wiggo  Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 33594 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 
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What happened to testing during the original design?...They followed the FAA mandated testing perfectly. We all know how well government works when put in charge. And when Donny got in he cut a lot of "red tape" procedures further. |
Scrooge McDuck  Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 457 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 
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Boeing should have learned by now that one (or two) fatal crash(es) is enough to ground a model series and halt production for years. This is the most expensive. |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 19442 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 
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... Boeing too often allows its planes to continue flying indefinitely without such fixes ... “There is continuing noncompliance in many areas as Boeing slow-walks getting to full compliance for years..." Including "slow walking" fixes to avert catastrophic failure for the Boeing 747 for ... wait for it ... 13 years?!... See: Maximus Aviation - FAA WARNS Of Catastrophic 747 - 8 Cracks At Aft Bulkhead! BUT Boeing And The FAA KNEW for 13 YEARS! ... All hidden behind passenger reassuring obfuscated abstract-speak... Have we been extremely fortunately "lucky" for that one? So far...? Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier     Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30339 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 
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Must be Boeing's fault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPtCpqEozJ8 The didn't install Tesla automation to prevent taxi accidents. |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 19442 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Nope. I don't follow click-bait or teasers. Your comment is? Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 19442 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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So... How does this balance out?... Alaska 737 Hard Landing KSNA 20 Aug 2023 So... There is a concession to Boeing that allows them to land their 'stretched' 737 versions at (dangerously?) higher landing speeds for the sake of having stretched the aircraft limits/design/profits?... Note this aircrew comment: i am a retired flight attendant. i worked the 737 800, the A321, the A 319, 757, 767etc. Whenever we were about to touch down, the 737 800 was one we consciously held on to something to assist us when it hit. And it did indeed HIT. SLAM! All other aircraft listed above usually had an enormously smooth landing. All Airbus aircraft landed like it was on glass Another Boeing stretch too far?... Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 457 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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Another Boeing stretch too far?...And there's even the 737-900, not to mention the upcoming Max 10. Hmmm, I've landed dozens of times with all sorts of A319/320/321s, as well as 737-600/700/800s. I don't remember such differences between Boeing and Airbus. The hardness of the landing probably also depends a lot on the experience of the pilots and of course the weather. In Scandinavia, UK, Canada... you will probably have bad weather landings more often. |
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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 21940 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380
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There are a lot of reasons for the B737-800 (and later) requiring higher approach and landing speeds. These include the low speed performance of the wings, the need to have a lower angle of attack during the final flare (to avoid tail strikes). Neither of these increases the probability of having a hard landing, indeed may actually reduce it under "normal" weather conditions. Hard landings are the norm at certain airports which are known for their short runways, or the prevalence of cross-winds (BHX & EDI come to mind here). The hardest landing in B737 I've "enjoyed" was a few years ago in a B737-300 at BHX when the conditions were most definitely marginal with heavy rain, fog ($%^&* low cloud?) and a decent cross wind. Certainly the braking once down for a B737-800 and B737-8 are more fierce than almost any A-3xx or "lesser" B-737-xxx. (Aside - Part of the harshness of all the B737 comes from them having short stroke landing gear due to the airlines' desire to have a very low load & maintenance height.) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 457 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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[...] the aircraft did not suffer a hard landing. The aft trunnion shear pin failed causing the damage to the upper wing panels.https://avherald.com/h?article=50d52882&opt=0 |
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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 21940 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380
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Well, how actually makes the B737 MAX??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmJgweFmoxs That all depends on what you define as an aircraft - by some definitions it is "Spirit" not Boeing, and it would appear Spirit are the core of these two problems, and Spirit isn't in the best of financial health.... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 457 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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Well, the first prototype of the 737 Max was christened the “Spirit of Renton”. |
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