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Not a Boeing problem? https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/13/22623609/boeing-starliner-capsule-iss-launch-valve-troubleshooting-delay Aerojet Rocketdyne, which supplied Starliner’s propulsion system that the valves are a part of, is working with Boeing and NASA to get to the bottom of the issue. |
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Not a Boeing problem?... Is that a 'valid' "excuse"? Are there any 'excuses' that in any way can be an acceptable 'shrug off'? Has not NASA paid ridiculously over-the-odds by $BILLIONS to not be suffering childish excuses? Really? The stray dog ate the specification drawings?!!! Really, Boeing somehow can absolve themselves of their expensive incompetence and non-checks for safety and non-checks for compliance of their design? Or... If this is not Boeing's design, they have not checked that the design works, reliably, for Astronauts to trust their lives with? Really, can Boeing 'Management' just shrug their shoulders of anything and everything with no responsibility other than for grabbing the money? IIRC from elsewhere, is the 'root cause problem' that some rainwater exposed some design/implementation 'deficiencies'?... Ouch! Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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YESNot a Boeing problem?... Rocketdyne builds rocket propulsion systems, has since before Apollo. Damn well should know how by now. https://www.rocket.com/ Note the starliner is on their front page picture roll. So YES again. |
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YESNot a Boeing problem?... Except... Boeing is the Project Authority and hence the Design Authority and so whatever 'silliness' is all theirs. Especially if they have deliberately skimped on testing and further skimped on safety contingencies... All by design?... Ultimately, even NASA is expensively in the hot seat of inadequate oversight for this project. Or has technical and/or other fraud been perpetrated?... We do have the recent example of Boeing 'pulling the wool' over the eyes of the FAA... People died for that example for something that isn't 'rocket science'... We really need to get away from this apparent 'mentality' of excuses of 'outsourcing' of all problems and risk yet being still the source of those problems and risk! All by shoddy self-preserving management design?... Have any management suffered personal financial losses from the Starliner farce? Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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... Different capsule than the one that flew the first failed mission... What? The 'Starliner' is not reusable? Or was that first one damaged beyond repair?? Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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... Rocketdyne builds rocket propulsion systems, has since before Apollo. Damn well should know how by now. Not for me looking there just now... Their mention of the Starliner can be found a few menu items down. See "CST-100 Starliner" to save people a few web clicks. Curiously, their last news item listed is: "Dec. 12, 2019 - Aerojet Rocketdyne Gears Up for First Flight of Boeing’s Starliner Spacecraft" ... And nothing more! Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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... Different capsule than the one that flew the first failed mission... They built three. #1 was a test vehicle, not intended to ever carry people. They are going to rotate launches with #2 and #3. If you are going to pitch bitches you should at least know basic facts. |
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Picture number 5 of 6 on the roll. Roll as in you have to wait for them to all load or hit the tab inside the picture to select it. Of course your browser has to allow such images to load.... Rocketdyne builds rocket propulsion systems, has since before Apollo. Damn well should know how by now. <ed>using desktop, phone website might be different. <ed2>for people who only do talking heads https://www.youtube.com/user/AerojetRocketdyne/videos |
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At last! We have some clear details of the Boeing Starliner 'anomalies': Boeing Starliner Malfunction Potentially Caused by Florida’s Humid Air, Investigators Say wrote: ... resulted in the cancelation of a Starliner test launch. A promising theory suggests moisture got into the spacecraft’s propulsion system, causing critical valves to get stuck. As to how this moisture got in, however, is now a question... For something so well known, tried, and tested, as maneuvering thruster systems: Shurely shome mishtake by the spreadsheet wielding accounshants?... Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Nah blame Hillary |
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NASASpaceFlight-Live give good fair comment about StarLiner early on in their livestream: NSF Live: Blue Origin attacks Starship with infographics, Starliner faces extended delay, and more There are consequences... Keep searchin'! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Would you believe it?! Boeing makes a profit, yet... Chaos Continues at Boeing wrote: ... with major technical miscues across the enterprise... Do the management get financially penalised for any of that chaos? Are lives being put at risk by such conditions of chaos?... All in our deadly greedy world... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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BBC - Boeing: Directors to face investor lawsuit over fatal crashes Boeing's board of directors must face a lawsuit from shareholders over two fatal crashes involving its 737 Max plane, a US judge has ruled. |
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Here's hoping this link works. https://wapo.st/3AFxx8J Nearly two months after discovering a problem with its Starliner spacecraft, Boeing is still searching for answers |
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Thanks for that. That link doesn't work for me... Found this for the article: Nearly two months after discovering a problem with its Starliner spacecraft, Boeing is still searching for answers wrote: ... the company might even have to swap out the spacecraft’s service module for a new one, which would mark a significant change. As for whether Boeing would be able to attempt another launch this year, she said, “My gut [feeling] is it would probably more likely be next year.” Ouch! (There's a lot more to the story than 'just' stuck valves...) Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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A brief Boeing 'update'... BOEING STARLINER Valve ISSUES remain a CHALLENGE for NASA! wrote: ... unable to solve an issue with its Starliner for more than a month. Teams of engineers and technicians from the company and as well as NASA have been working on the malfunctioning valves. Out of 13, only seven have been fixed, without the cause being discovered. George Nield, now at NASA and formerly at FAA, says that the time when the issue was discovered has raised many concerns. It could have ended up very differently and rather [disastrously] violently... Boeing FOD Debris Jams Brand New KC-46 Fuel Valve On It's Maiden Delivery Flight To Air Force Base wrote: Boeing's ongoing [foreign objects and] debris problem endangers brand new KC-46 tanker on its first delivery flight to its new home Air Force Base... Why Was Boeing’s 737 Redesign Not Scrutinized by the FAA? wrote: One of the biggest modifications made to the 737 line was the installation of a bigger engine, which changes the behavior of the plane in flight. Despite this significant change, in an apparent bid to save money, Boeing cut testing by 2000 hours... Criminal Indictment Imminent for Former Boeing 737 MAX Chief Technical Pilot... wrote: Federal prosecutors plan to criminally indict Mark Forkner, the former Boeing 737 Chief Technical Pilot who is alleged to have deceived aviation regulators and airlines about a critical new flight control system on the 737 MAX, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday. The deadly games in Boeing continue? Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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What is the fiduciary duty to the shareholder? Does Boeing have shareholders? Why are you surprised? What part of public company don't you understand? |
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This is where we need to update the terms of business to move the value of people from being merely "cannon fodder" and "profit" to something of actual value deserving of considering care and well-being... There has to be profitable value in turning away from doing deadly evil... All in our deadly greedy world... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Boeing in the recent news: Boeing and NASA Push Starliner Test Launch to 2022 wrote: ... NASA announced that the spacecraft won't have a chance to launch until sometime in 2022 because the investigation into an issue that delayed the Orbital Flight Test-2 (OFT-2) mission in August is ongoing. Nothing says 'We believe in you' like NASA switching two 'nauts off Boeing's Starliner onto SpaceX's Crew Dragon wrote: ... A year (or less) is, however, is long time in spaceflight and after repeated setbacks for the Starliner, it appears NASA has pulled the plug and switched Mann and Cassada to the Crew Dragon. Veteran astronauts Butch Wilmore, Mike Fincke, and Suni Williams remain attached to the project for the time being, and "will continue to provide experience for Boeing," according to the US space agency. What price is the Boeing gamble of flight hardware safely working for maintaining the good health of the passengers? What is the price for the insurance payouts that Boeing has lined up?... Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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