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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22506 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
The way things are going just now I wonder how many within Boeing are thinking much the same Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well they do have a precedent to look at - Aldenham Works. Letting yuppie idea folk & accountants take over cost London big time. Since it closed (let run down so a better excuse to close) & failing to create a new design but with the same principle of separate chassis & bodies created major cost in shorter service life per vehicle. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Would have been much better & "cheaper" in the long term to have designed a new aircraft once the 737 reached 50 years old. DC-3 is a beautiful aircraft still in airline service today. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yep, freight not passenger. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36618 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Actually there's at least 10 DC-3's that still do scenic flight tours around Australia and New Zealand that I know of and they were doing a roaring trade before COVID hit. Cheers. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11414 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Not true. Fly a legendary airliner. The Douglas DC-3 (also known as the C-47 Skytrain) is the plane that made air travel popular. For pilots this isn't just a ride. It's a chance for you to take off, fly and land a piece of aviation history. You'll be the one in the pilot's seat. For non-pilots, it’s an incredible opportunity to experience history in the air. https://incredible-adventures.com/dc3.html http://buffaloairways.com/index.php?page=douglas-dc-3 |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Slowly catching up fatally years too late: U.S. proposes fine of $1.25 million on Boeing for pressuring workers at airplane plant wrote: The FAA said Boeing managers pressured workers to perform inspections on an aircraft that was not eligible for inspection because of various issues; harassed people to make them perform inspections more quickly; threatened to replace workers; and retaliated against a unit manger for filing an undue pressure report by declining to interview the “highly qualified manager” for a promotional position... ... And that's the 40% diligent and 'brave' enough to make comment! All in our only one deadly greedy world, Fly safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The thing that worries me this side of the pond is that BA threw them a lifeline. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Boeing from Seattle to Chicago. Is that the date safety became secondary to "Of the Profit, By the Profit, For the Profit"? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19372 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Boeing from Seattle to Chicago. Is that the date safety became secondary to "Of the Profit, By the Profit, For the Profit"? If you also include all the implications of the takeover of MD. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19372 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Meet the 737-8. Looks familiar you say. That's a 737 Max, but Boeing had some problems with that aircraft and people don't want to fly in it, so they have renamed it, so that you will get into it without any qualms. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/20/boeing-737-max-plane-new-name-poland-enter-air |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Meet the 737-8... Thanks for that, one to watch... Is not a Marketing "Renaming" of a product somewhat disingenuous and a somewhat unwholesome sign?... I'll be watching Boeing for a year or two yet before chancing their products with my life! Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Three Boeing snippets from the last week: Boeing grounds eight 787 jets after {manufacturing} flaws create risk of {possibly catastrophic} failure wrote: Boeing Co. grounded eight of its 787 Dreamliner jets for inspection and repair after finding two manufacturing flaws that together could compromise the structural integrity of the aircraft. Canada Completes Boeing 737 MAX Flight Tests, Analyzing Results: Statement wrote: ... Canada has completed simulator and flight tests of Boeing Co's 737 MAX jetliner, which was grounded worldwide after two fatal crashes, and is analyzing the results... European flight safety agency to start 737 MAX test flights wrote: ... “While Boeing still has some final actions to close off, EASA judges the overall maturity of the redesign process is now sufficient to proceed to flight tests,” the agency said. “These are a prerequisite for the European agency to approve the aircraft’s new design.” As always, judge for yourselves... Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11414 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Boeing South Carolina is home to the company's second 787 Dreamliner final assembly and delivery facility. AFAIK these planes were built there. Boeing has a long history and culture of building quality aircraft in in the Puget Sound area, South Carolina not at all, instead their claim to fame is the low cost of labor and low taxes.. You get what you pay for. Unfortunately it is the legally mandated fiduciary responsibility to share holders that mandates this type of immoral behavior. Martin don't get too cocky This school of thought was first was espoused by the London School of Economics. In our country the Chicago school caught on quite rapidly. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Boeing South Carolina is home to the company's second 787 Dreamliner final assembly and delivery facility. AFAIK these planes were built there. You forgot a little, you make campaign contributions to get a liability limit, then you buy insurance up to that amount. Now there is zero risk to the shareholder no matter how many defects there are. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
You forgot a little, you make campaign contributions to get a liability limit, then you buy insurance up to that amount. Now there is zero risk to the shareholder no matter how many defects there are. And such becomes the 'price of a life' for the beancounters/accountants to weigh against blind greed for profits... All at whose cost?... Such is the present cruel costly 'system' in use. How do we include some morals for the good benefit of all? Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
And such becomes the 'price of a life' for the beancounters/accountants to weigh against blind greed for profits... Ask about Covid being fake and open up everything. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Can you imagine Boeing involved in this project? Solid built engines but the airframe held together with chewing gum & duct tape. Rival powers jockey for lead |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Can you imagine Boeing involved in this project? Thanks for that. That article is a good summary of present developments and an incredible lead-in to the real news which is: ...The potential for hypersonic travel to let VIPs arrive with maximum impact has been spotted by the US Air Force unit that deals with presidential jets. Are we being Trumped?! Hopefully all to be put together better and safely rather than following some of the recent Boeing examples! Fly safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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