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Message 2063800 - Posted: 17 Dec 2020, 18:51:21 UTC

Our current governing party, the Conservatives - think Republican - have been dominating political thought for the last 40 years. They are very strongly anti-regulation, because they think regulations are too much of a burden on good business, and heaped immense pressure to that effect on 'the other lot' when they were given a turn in the playpen between 1997-2010.

Some of us think that regulations are there to stop bad businesses killing people, but that's an unfashionable view.
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Message 2063827 - Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 2:30:18 UTC - in response to Message 2063798.  

If one cares to go back a good few posts (and probably back into v.1 of this thread) you will see that, at the time, the code did not require sprinklers, and that the inspectors were very hands-off (if not invisible)..........

Precisely.
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Message 2063847 - Posted: 18 Dec 2020, 11:22:27 UTC - in response to Message 2063827.  

If one cares to go back a good few posts (and probably back into v.1 of this thread) you will see that, at the time, the code did not require sprinklers, and that the inspectors were very hands-off (if not invisible)..........

Precisely.

Unless you decide to build your own house. Like a mate of mine did, until he showed the inspector shots of the bridges he had built around the world, frequently in 3rd world countries after disasters. He was a WO 1 in the Royal Engineers.
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Message 2063976 - Posted: 20 Dec 2020, 3:50:44 UTC

However, Arconic did not inform the body which issues product specification certificates in the UK.
The company says it was not responsible for designing cladding systems which used its product or for ensuring they met the requirements of the building regulations.
The Merry-go-round continues
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Message 2064192 - Posted: 23 Dec 2020, 5:51:20 UTC

2020 will certainly enter & stay in history books for a long time & for all the wrong reasons.
11 key things learnt this year
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Message 2065659 - Posted: 13 Jan 2021, 18:58:11 UTC

Was reading something else and found this in a link in a side panel.
https://www.ealingtimes.co.uk/news/19008935.cladding-scandal-london-assembly-report-reveals-extent/
The extent of London’s cladding crisis has been laid bare by a report from the London Assembly, with both the Mayor of London and the Government urged to act.
More than three years on from the Grenfell Tower fire, around two thirds of private residential buildings in London identified as high-risk have still not had cladding removed.
...
The London Fire Brigade identified 590 high-risk buildings that require temporary measures until work is completed such as waking watches or common fire alarms, which the fire brigade must check on fortnightly.

I don't think this will happen, do you?
The Government has been urged by the Housing, Communities and Local Government select committee to complete all remediation work nationally by the time of the fifth anniversary of the Grenfell Tower fire in June 2022.
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Message 2066029 - Posted: 18 Jan 2021, 14:46:57 UTC

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Message 2066393 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 18:39:44 UTC

Last year, the council signed off a £2m "extraordinary cost item" from its children's services budget to cover the potential fine and legal costs, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.
They can sign off on that, but not annual safety checks

Well what can one expect when one sees the above example
Simple answer - cut out the bureaucratic bloat.

More bureaucratic bloat
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Message 2066399 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 19:23:57 UTC - in response to Message 2066393.  

At least one council is "doing its bit" to cut the bureaucrats - a friend who works for a council in south west London is loosing his job, at the same time at least one layer above him is going, along with the a few others in the department which is downsizing of the department from about 50 or 60 down to single figures, but needless to say the head of department's job is secure.
Expect to see a load of "consultants" jobs being offered in that area in about 6 months time.
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Message 2067347 - Posted: 1 Feb 2021, 6:11:01 UTC

The UK's building safety crisis is escalating.
In the wake of the Grenfell Tower fire in 2017, safety inspections on high-rise buildings have exposed decades of regulatory failure.
It's not just that thousands of blocks are still wrapped in dangerous cladding, but many buildings have other serious problems: missing fire-breaks, defective insulation, flammable timber balconies.
Delays in fixing faults have seen costs for flat owners rocket - increased service charges and insurance costs as well as bills for fire alarms and round-the-clock fire wardens known as waking watch.
Kettle & pot spring to mind
The party agues a new body is needed "after years of delays and ineffective measures" from the government.
1997-2010 Labour government
2010-date Conservative government.
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Message 2068035 - Posted: 10 Feb 2021, 13:10:37 UTC

Just announced.
Extra £3.5bn to tackle unsafe cladding
Extra £3.5bn promised by government to remove unsafe cladding from high-rise buildings over 18 metres "at no cost to residents"

This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.
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Message 2068036 - Posted: 10 Feb 2021, 13:19:33 UTC - in response to Message 2068035.  

Extra £3.5bn promised by government to remove unsafe cladding from high-rise buildings over 18 metres "at no cost to residents"
Yep, just cost the taxpayers for their aesthetically pleasing & energy efficient bungling.
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Message 2068040 - Posted: 10 Feb 2021, 13:30:37 UTC - in response to Message 2068036.  

Extra £3.5bn promised by government to remove unsafe cladding from high-rise buildings over 18 metres "at no cost to residents"
Yep, just cost the taxpayers for their aesthetically pleasing & energy efficient bungling.

Also has us all pay the greedy profiteers for their shoddy profits...


How best to up-skill and de-corrupt our building industry?...

Clocked used cars anyone?...


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Message 2068065 - Posted: 10 Feb 2021, 22:37:52 UTC

When asked by counsel to the inquiry, Richard Millett QC, Ms French said she had 'not heard' of the fatal fire.
She said: 'No I don’t recall. I've not heard of Lakanal house.' Asked if she was aware of it now, she said: 'No.'
Unbelievable
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Message 2068223 - Posted: 12 Feb 2021, 10:29:24 UTC

They have the money to waste on vanity projects & maritime companies with no ships as well as Olympic & brexit consultants but...
LFB scapegoats yet again
...yet too expensive to provide training & better equipment to an emergency service.
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Message 2068701 - Posted: 18 Feb 2021, 22:44:23 UTC

How shocking?...


Grenfell cladding email: Keep poor test 'confidential'
wrote:
A technical manager at the maker of the Grenfell Tower cladding told colleagues poor fire test results on the product needed to be kept "very confidential".

The request, in capital letters, was in an email sent in 2010...

... Giving evidence to the inquiry, Arconic's president in France, Claude Schmidt, admitted when pressed that the email suggested customers had been misled...

... The 2010 email was sent in response to discussions with a client in Spain, who had raised concerns about using the most flammable version of the cladding because Spain required a minimum class B.

Mr Schmidt told the inquiry earlier that lower fire safety restrictions in the UK encouraged sales of the most flammable version of the company's product, made from polyethylene, plastic, or PE as it was known in the industry.

He said other countries had gradually restricted sales of cladding made from polyethylene or PE, which burns easily. He believed Kazakhstan had banned it. Despite that, the UK remained a "PE market", he said...



So... How do we keep such people 'honest' when profiteering with the lives of others?

All in our deadly greedy world,
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Message 2071617 - Posted: 23 Mar 2021, 15:53:17 UTC

How often do you have to see something fail a test and re-test it before the point gets through - It has FAILED and no amount of testing will make it pass.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56403431

The "cassette" structure failed every time, and was categorised as "E" which (crudely) means unsuitable.
The "rivet" structure passed, but was down graded from "B" to "C", in other words "more or less acceptable" to "marginal, not permitted".

Then the (French) manufacturer lied, which compounds their felony......
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Message 2071666 - Posted: 24 Mar 2021, 2:17:52 UTC - in response to Message 2071617.  

Thanks Rob. Bookmarked the page yesterday intending to request the thread be unlocked but forgot.
What struck me was 2 statements from the UK Sales Manager.
No 6 - Arconic's UK sales manager, Deborah French, was asked at the inquiry: why not attach a health warning to the product?
"At the time," she said, the level of risk "wasn't so obvious".
No 8 - Questioned about it, Ms French claimed she had not been telling the truth when writing the email.
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Message 2074542 - Posted: 29 Apr 2021, 18:15:36 UTC

Government cocks up...yet again
"For lower-rise buildings which have a lower risk, our generous capped finance scheme will ensure bills are a maximum of £50 per month."
For how many years?
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Message 2075179 - Posted: 7 May 2021, 11:00:07 UTC

He said: "I've been working with residents of this block for a long time to help them resolve fire safety issues. Their safety must come first."
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