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Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Grenfell Tower fire: Firms want immunity over evidence 'Taking the Fifth'? Methinks they have something to hide. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
'Taking the Fifth'? Methinks they have something to hide. Didn't know you guys had a fifth. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22535 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
While we don't have a "fifth amendment" as such there is a principal that one may withhold certain evidence if it might be construed as a confession, unless of course one is making a confession. Doing so is colloquially as "Pleading the fifth". Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
While we don't have a "fifth amendment" as such there is a principal that one may withhold certain evidence if it might be construed as a confession, unless of course one is making a confession. Doing so is colloquially as "Pleading the fifth". Okay. Someone at some point had suggested that not answering was a confession in your system. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
After reading this yesterday, that's not that surprising. All aboard, the merry-go-round has started |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Okay. Someone at some point had suggested that not answering was a confession in your system.It might well be seen so by the general public, and probably by the newspapers, but it wouldn't be enough to get a conviction at law (criminal 'beyond reasonable doubt' test). It might sustain a civil ('balance of probabilities') claim for damages. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19401 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
While we don't have a "fifth amendment" as such there is a principal that one may withhold certain evidence if it might be construed as a confession, unless of course one is making a confession. Doing so is colloquially as "Pleading the fifth". That was in regards to a Star Chamber. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Star Chamber?That was in regards to a Star Chamber.While we don't have a "fifth amendment" as such there is a principal that one may withhold certain evidence if it might be construed as a confession, unless of course one is making a confession. Doing so is colloquially as "Pleading the fifth".Okay. Someone at some point had suggested that not answering was a confession in your system. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Even though no sprinklers and high winds, not a Grenfell https://apnews.com/17d40df23395933603ce2de7c23856d9 Yes, they used air support on the fire, not only Fire Department air support but Sheriff's Department air support. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The inquiry also heard that residents had asked the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (RBKC) three months before the fire for an assessment of the tower block by an independent health and safety inspector.Firms pulled the trigger |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Welcome aboard the merry-go-round Guaranteed to remain in continuous motion for the next decade. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I can see why this guy wanted immunity from prosecution: Grenfell architect admits he did not read cladding fire regulations But he's singing like a canary now: Inquiry told he had ‘no knowledge’ of rapid fire spread and did not know panels were combustible |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Under EU procurement rules, known as OJEU, which applied at the time, public works above a certain threshold have to be put out to open tender. Studio E has already admitted it would not have been selected for the job in competition because it lacked experience in high-rise housing or over-cladding works.I bet they're not the only ones. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
The ultimate cowboy builders. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19401 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Grenfell cladding not the only type to burn easily, tests show The owners of tall buildings face pressure to continue removing dangerous cladding, despite coronavirus, after a new fire test showed how quickly flames can spread. A video of the new test*, passed to the BBC, shows flames reaching the top of a 9m (30ft) test wall in seven minutes and 45 seconds with temperatures approaching 700C. *No video in the article. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Appearance v Safety v Money His younger colleague Tomas Rek, who followed him in the witness box, was clear about the priority.Must have enough money in the kitty to pay their salaries & pension! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I know it has a dedicated thread, but this deserves its place on this one! Shades of Grenfell! Is this Britain? We have also been taking steps to obtain more personal protective equipment.Well, at least Leprechauns won't need to visit Screwfix or a builders merchant! Is this another case of "Britain knows best? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Whirlpool issues new warning Lesley Rudd, chief executive at charity Electrical Safety First, said: "It is alarming that five months into this recall we are only now hearing of these extra models which pose a risk to owners. This new discovery throws into question the robustness of the original investigation." |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36811 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Whirlpool issues new warningWith all the problems you guys have been having with these American made fire hazards over the years, why don't you just ban the things from being allowed into your country?Lesley Rudd, chief executive at charity Electrical Safety First, said: "It is alarming that five months into this recall we are only now hearing of these extra models which pose a risk to owners. This new discovery throws into question the robustness of the original investigation." |
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