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Message 2029754 - Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 14:37:15 UTC

Grenfell Tower fire: Firms want immunity over evidence

'Taking the Fifth'? Methinks they have something to hide.
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Message 2029758 - Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 14:47:48 UTC - in response to Message 2029754.  

'Taking the Fifth'? Methinks they have something to hide.

Didn't know you guys had a fifth.
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Message 2029760 - Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 14:52:24 UTC

While we don't have a "fifth amendment" as such there is a principal that one may withhold certain evidence if it might be construed as a confession, unless of course one is making a confession. Doing so is colloquially as "Pleading the fifth".
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Message 2029762 - Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 14:57:23 UTC - in response to Message 2029760.  

While we don't have a "fifth amendment" as such there is a principal that one may withhold certain evidence if it might be construed as a confession, unless of course one is making a confession. Doing so is colloquially as "Pleading the fifth".

Okay. Someone at some point had suggested that not answering was a confession in your system.
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Message 2029766 - Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 15:16:07 UTC - in response to Message 2029754.  

After reading this yesterday, that's not that surprising.
All aboard, the merry-go-round has started
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Message 2029768 - Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 15:40:33 UTC - in response to Message 2029762.  

Okay. Someone at some point had suggested that not answering was a confession in your system.
It might well be seen so by the general public, and probably by the newspapers, but it wouldn't be enough to get a conviction at law (criminal 'beyond reasonable doubt' test). It might sustain a civil ('balance of probabilities') claim for damages.
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Message 2029799 - Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 21:00:59 UTC - in response to Message 2029762.  

While we don't have a "fifth amendment" as such there is a principal that one may withhold certain evidence if it might be construed as a confession, unless of course one is making a confession. Doing so is colloquially as "Pleading the fifth".

Okay. Someone at some point had suggested that not answering was a confession in your system.

That was in regards to a Star Chamber.
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Message 2029815 - Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 22:30:58 UTC - in response to Message 2029799.  

While we don't have a "fifth amendment" as such there is a principal that one may withhold certain evidence if it might be construed as a confession, unless of course one is making a confession. Doing so is colloquially as "Pleading the fifth".
Okay. Someone at some point had suggested that not answering was a confession in your system.
That was in regards to a Star Chamber.
Star Chamber?
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Message 2029822 - Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 23:22:58 UTC

Even though no sprinklers and high winds, not a Grenfell
https://apnews.com/17d40df23395933603ce2de7c23856d9
Yes, they used air support on the fire, not only Fire Department air support but Sheriff's Department air support.
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Message 2029970 - Posted: 30 Jan 2020, 21:31:40 UTC

The inquiry also heard that residents had asked the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (RBKC) three months before the fire for an assessment of the tower block by an independent health and safety inspector.
An RBKC official wrote to the then-chief executive of the KCTMO that they were "not minded to agree to this request" and that the KCTMO's work had been "more than sufficient".
Firms pulled the trigger
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Message 2031426 - Posted: 8 Feb 2020, 15:59:30 UTC

Welcome aboard the merry-go-round
Guaranteed to remain in continuous motion for the next decade.
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Message 2036049 - Posted: 5 Mar 2020, 16:04:10 UTC

I can see why this guy wanted immunity from prosecution:

Grenfell architect admits he did not read cladding fire regulations

But he's singing like a canary now:
Inquiry told he had ‘no knowledge’ of rapid fire spread and did not know panels were combustible
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Message 2036059 - Posted: 5 Mar 2020, 16:50:33 UTC - in response to Message 2036049.  

Under EU procurement rules, known as OJEU, which applied at the time, public works above a certain threshold have to be put out to open tender. Studio E has already admitted it would not have been selected for the job in competition because it lacked experience in high-rise housing or over-cladding works.
I bet they're not the only ones.
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Message 2036062 - Posted: 5 Mar 2020, 16:57:18 UTC - in response to Message 2036059.  

The ultimate cowboy builders.
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Message 2041592 - Posted: 30 Mar 2020, 12:19:35 UTC

Grenfell cladding not the only type to burn easily, tests show
The owners of tall buildings face pressure to continue removing dangerous cladding, despite coronavirus, after a new fire test showed how quickly flames can spread.
Cladding previously deemed safer than that used at Grenfell Tower burned almost as rapidly as the aluminium and plastic panels blamed for the disaster.
These high pressure laminate panels are common in the UK.
However, the government has only recently agreed to fund their removal.
Ministers had suggested taking down this type of cladding was less of a priority than removing the aluminium and plastic type, known as aluminium composite material, or ACM.

A video of the new test*, passed to the BBC, shows flames reaching the top of a 9m (30ft) test wall in seven minutes and 45 seconds with temperatures approaching 700C.
The test should last 30 minutes and the temperature recorded should stay below 600C.
The results mean the cladding system failed to meet the required standard but what concerns the engineer who commissioned the test is the speed at which the flames spread.
In identical standardised tests carried out by the government, the Grenfell type of ACM cladding, failed in between five and six and a half minutes.

*No video in the article.
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Message 2041725 - Posted: 30 Mar 2020, 20:29:16 UTC

Appearance v Safety v Money
His younger colleague Tomas Rek, who followed him in the witness box, was clear about the priority.
When asked why sleek, zinc cladding had been chosen for the new-look tower, he said: "Based just on the aesthetics."
It looked better, it was also less likely to burn in a fire - but a third factor got in the way - cost.
Must have enough money in the kitty to pay their salaries & pension!
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Message 2041750 - Posted: 30 Mar 2020, 21:26:33 UTC

I know it has a dedicated thread, but this deserves its place on this one!

Shades of Grenfell! Is this Britain?

We have also been taking steps to obtain more personal protective equipment.
Our stocks of surgical masks are good, but supplies of more effective PPE masks and eye-protection visors were running low. So a consultant, Dr Tom Lawton, went to Screwfix to buy industrial masks - and then found a way of attaching medical filters to them, using a 3D printer he keeps in his garage. Another went to a builders' merchants and bought 2,000 pairs of goggles.
Well, at least Leprechauns won't need to visit Screwfix or a builders merchant!

Is this another case of "Britain knows best?
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Message 2047545 - Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 18:14:59 UTC

Whirlpool issues new warning
Lesley Rudd, chief executive at charity Electrical Safety First, said: "It is alarming that five months into this recall we are only now hearing of these extra models which pose a risk to owners. This new discovery throws into question the robustness of the original investigation."
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Message 2047578 - Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 21:47:43 UTC - in response to Message 2047545.  

Whirlpool issues new warning
Lesley Rudd, chief executive at charity Electrical Safety First, said: "It is alarming that five months into this recall we are only now hearing of these extra models which pose a risk to owners. This new discovery throws into question the robustness of the original investigation."
With all the problems you guys have been having with these American made fire hazards over the years, why don't you just ban the things from being allowed into your country?
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