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Cladding on a block of student flats that was hit by a major blaze is a cause for "concern", Greater Manchester's mayor has said.
But cladding is a "bigger issue... than we have so far faced up to," Mr Burnham admitted.

No clad no spread
https://apnews.com/63437221e54c411999d126018dd3cd3e

The buildings are made of concrete, natural fireproofing between units that typically keeps a fire from spreading,” he said. “Clearly, it did spread to multiple units.”

Need to investigate the reason for why it spread.

The buildings are made of concrete, natural fireproofing between units that typically keeps a fire from spreading,” he said. “Clearly, it did spread to multiple units.”

Need to investigate the reason for why it spread.

Building reoccupied below fire floor. Soon above fire floor.
If doors are open, that is a reason for spread. Number one citation is things blocking automatic fire doors. I didn't see a mention that the building had sprinklers. That generally stops horizontal spread.

But no vertical spread from clad.

Now if we find the ignition was a explosion in an illegal drug lab ...

Now if we find the ignition was a explosion in an illegal drug lab ...

Do you have any quotes for that?

Or is that just a figment of your imagination and prejudice?


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A bit of strained abstraction - student accommodation and students getting up to mischief

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Now if we find the ignition was a explosion in an illegal drug lab ...

Do you have any quotes for that?

Or is that just a figment of your imagination and prejudice?

A too frequent source of ignition in the colonies.

Now if we find the ignition was a explosion in an illegal drug lab ...

Do you have any quotes for that?

Or is that just a figment of your imagination and prejudice?

A too frequent source of ignition in the colonies.

Sorry, don't know what you mean, or what you might be implying by that...

Any links or actual real-world stats to explain?


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Now if we find the ignition was a explosion in an illegal drug lab ...

Do you have any quotes for that?

Or is that just a figment of your imagination and prejudice?

A too frequent source of ignition in the colonies.

Sorry, don't know what you mean, or what you might be implying by that...

Any links or actual real-world stats to explain?

You don't live in the US where honey oil labs and meth labs go ka-boom on a too frequent basis. Which means you don't have the drug issues we have.
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/02/07/honey-oil-lab-explosions/
https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs7/7341/7341p.pdf

https://apnews.com/ac853a2c5d3b4a83812257387de20848

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The agency that manages public housing in Minneapolis noted a need for sprinklers in older high-rise apartments months before a massive fire broke out in a 50-year-old building, leaving five people dead from smoke inhalation.

Although the Minneapolis Public Housing Authority didn’t specifically budget for high-rise sprinklers in a plan approved in September, the document does list them as a future priority.

“Additionally, as building codes have evolved, we need to address increased life/safety requirements such as retrofitting our highrise buildings with sprinkler systems,” the plan says. “MPHA has made infrastructure/building systems a priority and will target these types of improvements with its limited Capital Fund resources until major reinvestment opportunities materialize.”

The fire Wednesday came just days before the building was to be inspected by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. It was not immediately clear if that routine inspection will go on Monday as planned.

Authorities on Friday still had not released the cause of the fire, which started around 4 a.m. on the 14th floor of the building in the heart of an immigrant neighborhood. Minneapolis Fire Chief John Fruetel told reporters Wednesday that investigators believe the fire was an accident, but he didn’t explain why.

According to the city, the main floor and lower mechanical rooms of the 25-floor building known as Cedar High Apartments had partial sprinkler coverage, but the rest of the building did not have a sprinkler system.

HUD says the building was built in January 1970, when sprinklers weren’t required by law.

Jen Longaecker, a spokeswoman for the state fire marshal, said building codes that addressed sprinkler systems existed at the local level in the 1960s. All local building codes were replaced by the state building code in 1972. But there were no state requirements for sprinkler systems in high-rise buildings until the 1979 Uniform Building Code went into effect in late 1980.

Longaecker said building code requirements apply to new construction and are not retroactive for existing buildings. Buildings like Cedar High Apartments would not need to improve their fire protection unless there is substantial remodeling or a change the type of occupancy.

When asked Wednesday whether sprinklers might have helped control the fire, Fruetel said: “Sprinklers will always make a difference in a building.”

Shane Gray, a retired fire chief who is president of the National Fire Sprinklers Association, told KSTP-TV that states and cities need to look at making retrofitting high-rise buildings mandatory.

Money talks, safety walks.

LFB head steps down

How many politicians and heads of regulatory bodies have we got to step down so far?

You expect to see pigs fly?

Still
no one
listening

There were debates in Parliament, and consumer group Which? sought a judicial review into what it regarded as failures by the trading standards department overseeing the case - the small team at Peterborough Council.
That is one quirk of the system in the UK - in an attempt to offer consistency to businesses with multiple premises, companies deal with just one trading standards department which other local regulators must respect.
This “primary authority” system, set up in 2009, means Whirlpool - a massive corporation, with 92,000 employees, 2017 sales of $21bn, and a presence in almost every country in the world - was being checked on in the UK by a handful of officers at a financially stretched local council (currently £33 million in debt).

The danger in our homes
Comment in brackets is mine.

Seeing who she was employed by I'm not surprised.....

Indeed I might say I'm glad she's off the panel, talk about "conflict of interests".

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Yet another example of callous no-morals-greed at all costs?


Grenfell Tower fire: Inquiry told firms 'deny responsibility' wrote:

None of the companies involved in the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower have accepted responsibility for the deadly fire, an inquiry has heard.

Firms expressed "no trace" of accountability despite previous findings that the work did not comply with building regulations...

... Mr Millett said that, with the "sole exception" of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea - which accepted that the refurbishment work should not have been signed off - all organisations had denied responsibility in "carefully crafted statements"...

... "In every case, what happened was, as each of them would have it, someone else's fault."...

A very deadly despicable game.

We really do need to make people personally responsible for their business 'games'...


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