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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34877 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
He only wants to get rid of it because of his dislike of its name. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Can any other countries with lock-downs present stats like that?Yes:) Both Australia and New Zealand are countries that don't have so many corona cases. Why nobody can tell. But it could be that those countries don't practice free movement between countries like the Nordic countries. As for Sweden we are stuck in between Norway, Finland and Denmark as part of the Nordic Council. But there are in fact only the hubs Stockholm, Sweden, and Copenhagen, Denmark that have problem with the covid-19. And that's a problem when comparing countries. Some regions within a country are very bad and some regions don't have any problem at all. Just look at the US. Anyway. Now WHO identifies Sweden as a special risk country when it comes to spreading infection. Together with countries like Armenia, Moldova, Northern Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine and Kosovo. State epidemiologist Anders Tegnell criticizes WHO. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/who-pekar-ut-sverige-som-sarskilt-riskland-hor-tegnells-svar |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34877 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Now didn't Delusional Donny say pretty much the same thing the other day?Can any other countries with lock-downs present stats like that?Yes:) Both Australia and New Zealand are countries that don't have so many corona cases. Why nobody can tell. But it could be that those countries don't practice free movement between countries like the Nordic countries. As for Sweden we are stuck in between Norway, Finland and Denmark as part of the Nordic Council. But there are in fact only the hubs Stockholm, Sweden, and Copenhagen, Denmark that have problem with the covid-19. And that's a problem when comparing countries. Some regions within a country are very bad and some regions don't have any problem at all. Just look at the US. [edit] I'm sorry Janne, I got you mixed up with another of our Swedish mates (damn I wish that everyone would go back to their original names). |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Now didn't Delusional Donny say pretty much the same thing the other day?Hehe:) He think his grandfather came from Karlstad, Värmland. But yes, test more and the mortality rate will lower. Don't test at all and there are no problem at all:) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34877 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
And as good old Delusional Donny wants less testing to cut numbers and get the U.S. opened up quickly for business as possible while numbers are on the rise others think much differently about how to do this, and sensibly. Trump says the US leads on coronavirus tests, but some experts want 30 million more a day. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
It's seems like the WHO have no clue how to read and interpret data! Anders Tegnell on Friday criticized the WHO after the organization pointed out Sweden and ten other countries as special risk countries where the spread of infection is increasing. Now the organization backs away from the statement of increased spread of infection. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19084 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
European Union mulls recommendation to block travelers, including Americans, due to coronavirus Washington (CNN)European Union nations could block visitors from countries with severe coronavirus outbreaks, including the United States, according to officials involved in the talks. From WaPo - But with the coronavirus still raging in the United States, the possibility of allowing American tourists hasn't even figured into the discussion, according to six diplomats familiar with the talks. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34877 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
It'll take some time yet for the "South Pacific travel bubble" even to get started, but no mention has been made here of opening up to any other areas of the world at this time. Total cases worldwide has now passed 9.9 million with the highest daily tally yet of 193,974 and 200,000 cases could be broken very soon. :-O The U.S. has now recorded its highest daily new case count as well recording 47,341 and even beating Brazil's 46,907 count. India leapt past the half million case mark while Germany now finds itself down in 14th spot and are in the sights of Saudi Arabia. South Africa looks to beat Bangladesh in their race to displacing France from 16th place and the Netherlands has become the 30th country to pass 50,000 cases. Meanwhile south of the border here down in Victoria the numbers there growing with the army being called in to help there. :-( |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34877 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Yes Vietnam is 1 of those countries that have done extremely well Sirius. Even though the reporting day isn't over yet the worldwide case count has passed 10 million while deaths have passed 500,000. :-O The numbers coming out of the U.S. and Brazil so far are also looking to be big again while India has just posted over 20,000 new cases. :-( Meanwhile over here I'm surprised that there are still so many Aussies returning home though South Australia has finally received a plane load of returning travelers so their long case free run looks to be over soon (but it makes a change from most of them being landed in Sydney and Melbourne). Victoria is still recording higher daily numbers (41 today) with most being local acquired and is looking into fining those in quarantine who refuse being tested for the virus while here in New South Wales those who refuse being tested will be given an extra 10 days in quarantine. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
From now it seems like if you are symptom free you can do what ever you like. I have some doubts about that though.... Anyway. THIS IS WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS IN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES LOOK LIKE: 1. Is it allowed to travel domestically? 2. Are there restrictions when traveling abroad? 3. Do you have rules about mouth protection? 4. Are you allowed to visit bars, restaurants and the like? 5. Are there rules around public gatherings? 6. What distance is recommended between people? 7. Are cinemas, museums, tourist destinations, beaches and the like open? Sweden 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. Avoid municipal traffic. 2. The recommendation will be lifted to some European countries from 30 June. The recommendation to the rest of Europe until 15 July. Rest of the world August 31. 3. No. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. Table service applies. 5. Public gatherings of a maximum of 50 persons are allowed. 6. Arm's length. 7. Beaches open. Several cinemas open during the summer, with a maximum of 50 people in the salon. Some museums have opened, with a limited number of visitors. Amusement parks may not be open this summer. Norway 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. Allowed to travel in the Nordic countries, except to Sweden. The recommendation from other countries until August 20. 3. No. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. 5. Events with a maximum of 200 people allowed, with rules on distance. A maximum of 20 people may gather outdoors. 6. One meter. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Finland 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. The advice from foreign travel except to Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. 3. No. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. Buffet service is not allowed. All guests must have their own seating but can pick up food and drink at the bar. 5. Public gatherings of a maximum of 50 persons are allowed. 6. One meter. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Denmark 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. Divide countries into yellow and orange. Yellow is free to travel to, orange is not recommended. Nordic countries may have individual yellow regions which are then free to travel to. Västerbotten is one of those. The advice from other countries is valid until 31 August. 3. No. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. 5. Public gatherings of a maximum of 100 persons are allowed from 8 July. Crowds of up to 200 people are allowed from August 8. 6. One meter in public environments. Two meters in environments with a risk of drip infection, for example in the gym and in the hospital. 7. Most things are open but with rules on distance. Amusement parks such as Legoland and Tivoli are open but with extended safety rules. Germany Regional differences. 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. Oral protection is required. 2. Allowed to travel within the EU / Schengen. Mandatory quarantine on entry from certain countries in several German states. The advice from other countries. 3. Compulsory in shops and public transport. 4. Many have opened, but with rules on distancing. Local restrictions have been reintroduced in Gütersloh in western Germany following a new outbreak. 5. Crowds of over 10 people banned until June 29. Large events prohibited until 31 October. 6. 1.5 meters (valid until June 29). 7. Much has opened, but with rules on spacing. Regional differences. Beaches not open to tourists from other states who do not stay overnight. UK 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. Avoid public transport. 2. advise against all unnecessary trips abroad. 3. Compulsory in public transport and in hospitals. Recommended in public places where distance is difficult. 4. Not allowed until July 4th. After that, the distance between guests should be at least one meter. 5. A maximum of six persons may be gathered outdoors. 6. One meter. However, where you can keep two meters, you should continue to do so. 7. Cinemas, museums, hotels and campsites open July 4th. Water parks, pools and nightclubs still closed. Iceland 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. Mouthguard is recommended if it is crowded in public transport. 2. Allowed to travel within the EU / Schengen. Anyone coming to the country can choose to test for covid-19 at the airport or sit in quarantine for two weeks. 3. Mandatory on Iceland Air's flights. Recommended if crowded in public transport. 4. Allowed, but restaurants and bars must not stay open until 23:00. 5. People's gatherings of a maximum of 500 persons are permitted, provided that it is possible to keep two meters away. 6. Two meters. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Estonia 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. Avoid public transport. 2. The advice from foreign travel. Anyone traveling must sit in a two-week quarantine upon return. Freedom of movement between Latvia and Lithuania. 3. Recommended in places where there are a lot of people. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. 5. Crowds of up to 10 people indoors and 100 people outdoors are allowed. From 1 July, 500 people are allowed indoors and 1000 people outdoors. 5. Two meters. 6. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Concerts, festivals and markets are allowed but with autumn 100 visitors. Latvia 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. Oral protection mandatory in public transport. 2. Allowed to travel within Europe. Travelers who come from countries with a high spread of infection may need to sit for two weeks on arrival. 3. Compulsory in public transport. It is mandatory to wear a mouthguard in public transport. 4. Allowed, but not more than four persons at each table indoors and eight persons at each table outdoors. Restaurants and bars are not allowed to stay open until 02:00. 5. Public gatherings of a maximum of 100 persons indoors and 300 persons outdoors are permitted. 6. Two meters. 7. Cultural, sports, and entertainment facilities open, but must close at midnight. Lithuania 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. Allowed to travel within Europe. Citizens from Sweden, Portugal and the UK are not allowed into the country. 3. Recommended in public places and in public transport. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. Cafes, nightclubs and bars may only be open until 23:00. 5. People's gatherings of a maximum of 700 people outdoors and a maximum of 150 indoors. From July 1, public gatherings with 1000 people are allowed outdoors and 200 indoors. 6. Two meters. One meter in queues. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Slovakia 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. Allowed to enter the country from many, but not all, European countries. The border with Poland closed. Not allowed to enter via the border with Poland. 3. Mandatory indoors, voluntary outdoors when possible to keep distance. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. Only two guests per table. 5. Public gatherings of no more than 500 persons are permitted. In July, the limit is increased to 1,000 people. 6. Two meters. 7. Most things are open, but with strict rules on number of visitors and distance. Austria 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. Oral protection mandatory. 2. Allowed to travel in large parts of Europe. except Sweden, the UK, Spain and Portugal. 3. Compulsory in public transport and other places where it is difficult to keep distance. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. 5. People's gatherings in autumn 100 people allowed. From July 1, 250 people are allowed. From 1 August 500 people. 6. One meter. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Spain (until July 6, when restrictions ease further) Regional differences 1. Yes, if you are symptom-free, but you are advised against unnecessary travel. 2. Allowed to travel within the EU / Schengen. The border with Portugal opens on July 1st. Then the border will also open to the rest of the world, but only to countries with similar or better infection prevention situations than in EU countries. 3. Compulsory in public transport and other places where it is difficult to keep distance. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance and limited number of guests. Regional differences. 5. Allowed in several places, but with restrictions. Regional differences. 6. 1.5 meters. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Regional differences. Some beaches allow only a limited number of people per square meter. Portugal The highest standby status prevails until 30 June. Thereafter, the standby mode can be extended or changed. Special rules apply in the autonomous regions of Madeira and the Azores. Special rules also apply in the Lisbon region. 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. Oral protection mandatory. 2. Allowed to travel within the EU / Schengen. The Spanish border, however, closed until July 1. Flights to and from Venezuela, USA, Canada, South Africa, Brazil and the other Portuguese countries are also allowed. Train traffic in and out of the country is closed. 3. Compulsory in public transport, shops and public buildings. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distancing and disinfection. Special rules in the Lisbon region: shops must close at 8 pm, no alcohol in public places. 5. Crowds of up to 20 persons are allowed. In Lisbon and four other regions, only 10 people can gather. 6. Two meters. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Theaters, cinemas and the like must have an empty space between each visitor. France 1. Yes, if you are symptom-free, but you are advised against unnecessary travel. Travel to overseas French territories requires a 14-day quarantine. 2. Allowed to travel within the EU / Schengen. Restrictions on travel to and from overseas countries. 3. Compulsory in public transport and in business if the owner so requires. Mandatory for staff at bars and restaurants. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. Nightclubs are closed. 5. Public gatherings of a maximum of 10 persons are allowed. Burials are exempt - there is no upper limit. Demonstrations may have a maximum of 5000 participants. 6. One meter. 7. Museums, tourist attractions and theaters will gradually open. A maximum of 5000 visitors per visitor destination. Cinemas and beaches are open but with rules on distance and mouth protection. Italy Regional differences 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. Some regions have rules on entry (temperature measurement, notification on arrival). 2. Allowed to travel within the EU / Schengen. 3. Mandatory in municipal traffic and places where it is difficult to keep distance. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance and limited number of guests. Regional differences. Nightclubs are closed. 5. Public gatherings in public places are prohibited. Parties also prohibited. 6. One meter. 7. Most things have opened, but with rules on distance and infection protection. Beaches open, but with regional differences. Belgium 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. Allowed to travel within the EU / Schengen. Other non-essential trips prohibited. 3. Compulsory in public transport and in places it is difficult to keep distance. Mandatory for staff at bars and restaurants. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. A maximum of 10 people per table, table service only. Bars and restaurants may only be open until 01:00. Nightclubs closed. 5. People's gatherings of a maximum of 10 people are allowed, whether outside or at home. Each person may have close contact with ten different persons, in addition to those belonging to the household.6. 1.5 meters. 7. Cinemas, theaters, amusement parks, conferences only open July 1st. Museums and historic buildings are open, but with rules on distance and ticket purchases over the Internet. Netherlands 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. The advice from non-essential public transport journeys. 2. Allowed to travel within the EU / Schengen. The advice from trips to Sweden, the United Kingdom and Denmark and all countries outside Europe. 3. Compulsory in public transport. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. A maximum of 30 guests indoors. Table service only. Cannabis cafés may only offer take away service. 5. Public gatherings of no more than 30 persons indoors are allowed. Measures may be taken if more than three people gather outdoors and do not keep their distance. 6. 1.5 meters. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Ireland 1. Only trips within their own county, or 20 km from the home, are allowed up to 28 junt. Only necessary trips outside the set limits are allowed. 2. The advice of all non-essential trips abroad. 3. Recommended in public transport, in shops and in places where distance is difficult. 4. Restaurants, bars and cafes are closed until June 29. Then follow the rules on distance and careful hygiene. 5. A maximum of six people who are not from the same household may meet outdoors. They can also meet indoors, but preferably no longer than one hour. 6. Two meters. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Switzerland 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. Allowed to travel within the EU / Schengen. The advice from unnecessary trips outside Europe. 3. Highly recommended in public transport and in places where it is difficult to keep distance. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. A maximum of four guests per table. 5. Spontaneous gatherings of no more than 30 persons allowed. Events with a maximum of 300 people are allowed. Big events prohibited until the end of August. 6. Two meters. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Slovenia Told that the epidemic was defeated on 14 May. 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. The recommendation from trips abroad. Entering the country from some "epidemiologically uncertain" countries should be quarantined for 14 days. 3. Compulsory in public transport and public places indoors where it is difficult to keep a distance 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. Nightclubs are closed. 5. Crowds of up to 200 persons are allowed. 6. 1.5 meters. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Grocery stores close at 8pm, and will be closed on Sundays. Croatia 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. Travelers from neighboring countries are allowed to enter without restrictions. Other European countries need to fill out forms. 3. Recommended indoors. Mandatory for all service professionals. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. Nightclubs open, but not with dance floor. 5. Public gatherings of a maximum of 300 persons allowed indoors, 500 persons outdoors. 6. 1.5 meters. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Greece 1. Yes, if you are symptom free. 2. Greece's land borders are closed until 30 June, with the exception of Bulgaria. Air travelers from certain countries, such as France, Sweden and Portugal, are tested on arrival. July 1 opens all airports for international flights, except to / from countries that are still severely affected by the pandemic. 3. Compulsory in public transport, taxis and boats. Mandatory for restaurant staff. Highly recommended for restaurant guests and in public places. 4. Allowed, but with rules on distance. Maximum of six guests per table. Nightclubs are also open. 5. No exact information. 6. 1.5 meters. 7. Most have opened, but with rules on limited number of visitors and distance. Concerts and events allowed from July 1 but with rules on distance and number of visitors. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well, blame Trump. Closed again |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34877 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Well Pakistan has just become the 12th country to pass 200,000 cases and our state of Victoria has dropped the idea of fines for those in quarantine and is now following the New South Wales lead of turning a 14 day quarantine into 24 days, but their door to door testing is certainly finding a lot of new cases, they've added a further 49 to the count today. Even with all those cases Uzbekistan has has knocked us out of 71st place. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11362 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
We all need masks to not spread the corona virus. But please don't use your hand or fingers all the time to adjust the mask. Trump however without a mask... Actually masks is not a protection to spreading virus. There is only ONE study that say so in the internationally science community and it come out inconclusive. And the BIG problem is that most user of masks don't read or understand how to use them. |
Igor Kostyaev Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 763 Credit: 80,254,329 RAC: 91 |
Now WHO identifies Sweden as a special risk country when it comes to spreading infection. Together with countries like Armenia, Moldova, Northern Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine and Kosovo. Kazakhstan: Population:18,774,127; Total cases - 20,780; Total cases/1M pop - 1,107; Total deaths - 178; Deaths/1M pop - 9; Tests /1M pop - 78,169 Sweden: Population:10,098,726; Total cases - 65,137; Total cases/1M pop - 6,450; Total deaths - 5,280; Deaths/1M pop - 523; Tests /1M pop - 44,026 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Seems like the US have the same problem with nursing homes as Sweden... New Hampshire: 80% of deaths were in nursing homes. Rhode Island: 77% Minnesota: 77% Connecticut: 73% Pennsylvania: 68% North Dakota: 64% Massachusetts: 64% Idaho: 62% Maryland: 61% Virginia: 61% To us all other like Trump not suffering from the Coran Virus.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojrtwXqqc6g Now all countries are opening up again. Well why wait for the Corona Virus 2.0... "Get it on", as a rock band from England sang many years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZkTh_T75QY&list=RDwZkTh_T75QY&start_radio=1&t=0&t=0 |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34877 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Even though New Zealand is getting closer to where it should be (119th by cases/126th by pop.) they look to be having a problem also with citizens returning from overseas. New Zealand's Covid-19 isolation facilities under 'extreme stress', review finds. A review of New Zealand’s managed isolation and quarantine facilities has found that the system is under “extreme stress†as more and more Kiwis return home. It came as four more returnees tested positive to Covid-19 in the biggest one-day jump in cases in two months. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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