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Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
and yet several existing and new missions were funded during the Bush administration. the claim doesn't hold water. scientists are human, and they get upset and lash out when their research doesn't get funded, which is largely based on the quality of their own proposals. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
and yet several existing and new missions were funded during the Bush administration. the claim doesn't hold water. I've been in the research game. Regardless of what the research might be, there is a lot of very badly time wasting administrative politics chasing very scarce resources... Scientists cannot live on those wasteful games. Which is badly silly really when considering the very high return on investing in science. Just for our present example, we have multiple vaccines safely available in a matter of months due to the scientific infrastructure that happened to be already in place. We should clear the pandemic in months rather than the decades that such as various plagues previously have lingered. And yet... A world leading Australian research group that were a very important part of the spearhead towards developing vaccines had been disbanded! The group were awarded funds AFTER they publicized their results from their own unfunded 'initiative' and unfunded dedication. There is a similar story for one of the vaccine technologies newly being used where the researcher for that had no funding. Yet that selfless dedication, unfunded, is saving millions of lives. We have the recent example of the demise of the Arecibo Observatory, and that is despite that had been our only interplanetary radar! Now gone. Collapsed, destroyed. Scientists are very dedicated, you have to be to do such work. However, science also seems to be very badly short changed and abused. Climate and environmental research in the USA was gutted of funding for a decade or more, with the added insult of deliberate misinformation and discredit and scorn thrown in from a number of oil (money) loving USA presidents. The rest is history as is said after the event... As always in politics, the solution is wherever the funding goes... All on our only one planet, Martin Edit: Grammar See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
and yet several existing and new missions were funded during the Bush administration. the claim doesn't hold water. there are only finite funds. because of this, there needs to be review processes to gauge which research endeavors are worthy of these finite funds. they can't just give out money to whomever wants it. all research is NOT created equal. good research proposals rightfully deserve to be funded over bad proposals (poor planning, lack of expected results, financially wasteful plans, etc). these "games" are necessary. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Which is badly silly really when considering the very high return on investing in science. All a game of how the games are done... And with what proportions... Look up the cost of the Deep Water Horizon (attempted) cleanup, or the expenditure used trying to reshape Afghanistan, or even just the political lobbying/party budgets, and then compare to the USA NSF budget... What games do politicians play? And Arecibo fell into disrepair and fell down. All on our only one planet, Martin Edit: Just one example to compare against Arecibo: Trump’s False Election Claims Cost Taxpayers Over $500m... Meanwhile, Arecibo's yearly budget had been slashed to the total insulting joke of less than just 1% of just that one 'policy' item on the past presidential ticket list... Edit #2: Which would you choose? One year of funding for Arecibo, or the cost of Donald Trump playing five or so rounds of golf? See: Trump Golf Count. All a question of proportion and balance? See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Meanwhile, Arecibo's yearly budget had been slashed to the total insulting joke of less than just 1% of just that one 'policy' item on the past presidential ticket list...The defence budget is more important than any NSF funded project. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Meanwhile, Arecibo's yearly budget had been slashed to the total insulting joke of less than just 1% of just that one 'policy' item on the past presidential ticket list...The defence budget is more important than any NSF funded project. To what extreme extent? And for what profits to the main contractor Boeing? The balance appears to be that Trump playing golf is a hundred times more 'important' for "$" than Arecibo was for science and for protecting our planet from Near Earth Objects... (And Arecibo included some climate science.) All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19400 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Meanwhile, Arecibo's yearly budget had been slashed to the total insulting joke of less than just 1% of just that one 'policy' item on the past presidential ticket list...The defence budget is more important than any NSF funded project. Only that part of the defence budget that is essential, and when considering the U.S.the non-essential costs in Iraq and Afghanistan were north of $4.4 Trillion. Plus the Defence Department should also be funding scientific research, which in many cases can also have civilian uses. |
Ian&Steve C. Send message Joined: 28 Sep 99 Posts: 4267 Credit: 1,282,604,591 RAC: 6,640 |
... Which is badly silly really when considering the very high return on investing in science. this is nothing more than straw man and whataboutism. thinking that if whatever money wasn't spent on something you don't like necessarily means that it WILL be spent on something you DO like, is a logical fallacy. stay on topic. this was about your claim that Bush (and to a larger degree, Republicans in general) purposely denied funding to climate research space missions for nefarious reasons. it's an opinion not based in reality as plenty other missions and projects were funded and renewed with government money during Republican eras. Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
And for what profits to the main contractor Boeing? Larger than Boeing: Lockheed Martin Corp., Raytheon Technologies Corp., General Dynamics Corp. See also: Northrop Grumman Corp., Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc., Humana Inc., BAE Systems plc, L3Harris Technologies Inc., General Electric Company., Health Net Federal Services LLC., Atlantic Diving Supply Inc., Leidos Holdings Inc., McKesson Corp., Oshkosh Corp., Science Applications International Corp., Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp., Fisher Sand & Gravel Company, Amerisourcebergen Corp., Bell-Boeing Joint Project Office, Leonardo SpA, Bechtel Group Inc., Textron Inc., AECOM, Fluor Marine Propulsion LLC., General Atomic Technologies Corp., Sierra Nevada Corp., KBR Inc., Federal Resources Supply Company, Vectrus Systems Corp., Perspecta Inc., BFBC LLC, Modernatx Inc., Johns Hopkins University, CACI International Inc., Rolls-Royce Corp., Southwest Valley Constructors Co., Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Environmental Chemical Corp., Jacobs Engineering Group Inc., The Aerospace Corp., United Launch Alliance LLC, The Mitre Corp., Honeywell International Inc., M1 Support Services LP, The Walsh Group Ltd., Marinette Marine Corp, Sullivan Land Services Ltd., Patriot Team, Government of Canada, Hensel Phelps Construction Co., Express Scripts Inc., General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc., Denali Holding Inc., FedEx Corp., Georgia Tech Research Corp ., Verizon Communications Inc., W. S. Darley & Co., The Parsons Corp., Carahsoft Technology Corp., Viasat Inc., Cardinal Health Inc., Great Lakes Dredge & Dock Corp., BAH – ICM JV, Torch Technologies Inc., Fluor Corp., APTIM Federal Services LLC, Alion Science and Technology Corp., Dyncorp International LLC, Nova Global Supply and Services LLC, Defense Systems and Solutions, The Whiting-Turner Contracting Company, International Business Machines Corp., BP Products North America Inc., Harris Global Communications Inc., The Charles Stark Draper Laboratory Inc., AT&T Inc., Johns Hopkins Health System Corp., Battelle Memorial Institute., Highmark Inc., Microsoft Corp., Weeks Marine Inc., Airbus Defence and Space SAS, Serco Group plc, Vigor Marine LLC, World Wide Technology Holding Co Inc., Data Link Solutions LLC., DCS Corp., Manson Construction Co., Martin’s Point Health Care Inc., Cisco Systems Inc., ANHAM FZCO, Columbia Helicopters Inc., Gilbane Inc., CDW Corp, MacAndrews & Forbes Holdings Inc., DDB Chicago Inc., Glaxosmithkline plc, Michael Baker International LLC, RQ Construction LLC |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
thinking that if whatever money wasn't spent on something you don't like necessarily means that it WILL be spent on something you DO like, is a logical fallacy. OK, lets try another comparison: US Lawmakers Propose Doubling of NSF Funding wrote: ... outlines plans to more than double the National Science Foundation’s budget and create a new technology directorate. Phew! Are some people at last slowly awakening to how it is Science that makes things work and saves people from deadly nasties like a pandemic? However, note the desperate quadrupling and downgrading to just doubling the funding despite the obvious damage already done. Sounds just like a script for Darth Vader and Star Wars... Note also that the NSF funding is divided across at least seven departments that includes other than 'just' research... That divided $8.5 Billion gave a fabulous huge return far beyond the daily mundane nuts and bolts of present day old stuff: National Science Foundation 2019 (A better title would be "Turning Science Fiction into Today's Science Fact".) Now compare with the very mundane air refueling tankers modified from an existing assembly line production airplane: Air Force Holds Back $336 Million on Flawed Boeing Tanker wrote: ... $44 billion tanker program that Boeing was awarded in 2011... That's over $5 Billion of extras and that doesn't include a working toilet for the crews! (The KC-46 has a messy problem with its palletized toilet) So, lets see... $8.5 Billion for fantastic new earth changing new Science, or $5 Billion to fix comparatively trivial modifications to air tankers? I'm sure the air tankers are very much needed. However, the tasks are like comparing rocket science to brick laying (no besmirching the hard work that brick layers do). All a totally different world with a galactic difference in results... And Arecibo fell. And we burn our planet for the sake of some leaking toilets in a 50-year old decrepit aircraft design? Make your choice? Follow the oil money? Hopefully, climate science gets usefully funded now and even further, that the results are acted upon now rather than too late... All on our only one planet, Martin Edit: Link to the collapse and destruction of the Arecibo Radio Telescope See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
There is positively a lot we can do very quickly: The best climate solution you've never heard of wrote: Around the world, there are teams of people who are working to track down and destroy hidden sources of greenhouse gases - stopping them from harming the planet. Some of the gases, which are used in refrigeration, have many times the global warming potential of carbon dioxide... So, lets do it, now! All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Is this where at long last almost too late, the politics catches up? Climate change: US surprises summit with bold emissions target wrote: The US has pledged to cut carbon emissions by 50-52% below 2005 levels by the end of this decade. Extinction Rebellion activists smash windows at Canary Wharf HSBC wrote: Extinction Rebellion (XR) activists have shattered at least 19 windows at HSBC's headquarters in east London. Here's hoping that the good words and hopeful targets are followed through with immediate meaningful action, regardless of petty politics. Will the financial institutions shift their profits to new cleaner tech soon enough? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
One example of how to go all-electric for steelmaking: The EAF Quantum - New Electric Steelmaking wrote: Primetals Technologies The next step is for the politics to catch up... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
One good solution is to communicate what is happening in terms that people can follow in the here and now: ... {talking} effectively talking about Climate Change wrote: ... In this actionable talk, communications strategist John Marshall explains why we need to rethink how we talk about climate change -- and offers small but mighty language adjustments to get people to more intuitively understand and care... That is really alarmingly true and practical and apt and follows some of my experiences when talking to busy people about how to follow ways that are less polluting. Who cares?! It really is a case in the here and now of why care... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Is this the "Gaia" effect protecting the Earth from us? Or are we steadily evolving to benefit from better education and a better feeling for living? US birth rate falls 4% to its lowest point ever wrote: The [USA] birth rate fell for the sixth consecutive year in 2020, with the lowest number of babies born since 1979... Can the world politics and everyone enjoying the wonders of our planet graciously stabilize both our population and pollution? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Smaller, cooler, faster, here we go for: Mind-boggling magnets could unlock plentiful power wrote: ... The catch is that to make fusion happen here on Earth... Spectacular! And hopefully soon enough... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21216 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Is this the "Gaia" effect protecting the Earth from us? Similarly so for China and across Asia: China census: Data shows slowest population growth in decades wrote: ... - bringing the population to 1.41bn. Can the world politics and everyone enjoying the wonders of our planet graciously stabilize both our population and pollution? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19400 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
JCB unveils hydrogen-fuelled combustion engine technology Heavy machinery maker JCB has announced a hydrogen-fuelled piston engine that emits no CO2 and which it believes can help the transport industry achieve the UK government’s zero-emissions target quicker than any existing solutions. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I can just see every job site having to have yet another trailer with a hydrogen fuel station trucked out to the site. Far more efficient than just having a 55 drum on the same transport truck that brings the excavator. |
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