Rent for a 1 bedroom flat \ apartment is about £120+ for a small private landlord place.

And here it's now a minimum of 400 pounds for a small bedsitter! Most 1 bedroom flat \ apartment is about 600 pounds!!!!

You've been told by me numerous times before Clyde, but unlike you I can't be bothered constantly repeating myself over and over and over again like you seem to love.

How about instead of repeating yourself all the time why don't you start actually contributing something tangible to these threads instead?

... you would lose any debate regarding your beliefs.

Rent for a 1 bedroom flat \ apartment is about £120+ for a small private landlord place.

And here it's now a minimum of 400 pounds for a small bedsitter! Most 1 bedroom flat \ apartment is about 600 pounds!!!!

I assume that is per month and not per week?
To a degree it doesn't matter the cost of rent as long as the average local wage can cover it without debt and with enough left over for a decent standard of living.
The problem is private landlords see their residents as just a way of paying off the mortgage for next to no effort.
Social landlords (here at least) these days have little or no power so their housing stock is falling into disrepair.
I'm not sure I am a socialist.
.. but I do think security of basic needs like shelter (+ food, clothes, primary health care..) should always be offered openly... not just by the state but by us all as best we can.

"Socialism Communism is a system which gives Government ownership and control over the means of production."

"Socialism Communism is a system which gives Government ownership and control over the means of production."

But some people just refuse to see the difference.

In a way, communism is an extreme form of socialism. Many countries have dominant socialist political parties but very few are truly communist. In fact, most countries - including staunch capitalist bastions like the U.S. and U.K. - have government programs that borrow from socialist principles.

Socialism is sometimes used interchangeably with communism but the two philosophies have some stark differences. Most notably, while communism is a political system, socialism is primarily an economic system that can exist in various forms under a wide range of political systems.

In this comparison we look at the differences between socialism and communism in detail.

Kibbutz controls nor owns any manufacturing plants

Commemorating 100 Years of the Kibbutz

The Kibbutz

The kibbutz is an original and unique Israeli creation – a multi-generation, rural settlement, characterized by its collective and cooperative community lifestyle, democratic management, responsibility for the welfare of each adult member and child, and shared ownership of its means of production and consumption.

A Bit of History

The first kibbutz, Degania, was founded by a group of a dozen, young pioneers in 1910, along the banks of the Sea of Galilee. Since then, 273 kibbutzim (half of them prior to the establishment of the State of Israel) have spread across the face of the country and, to a certain extent, have defined its borders.

Some 350 factories and corporations are registered as being owned by kibbutzim, with 70% of them along the periphery. About 41,000 people are employed in these factories, of which 9,500 are kibbutz members. The total income from agriculture reaches 6.5 billion IS – 34% of the agricultural production in Israel .

Kibbutz controls nor owns any manufacturing plants

Wrong!
http://www.kia.co.il/infoeng/kibbutz.htm

Commemorating 100 Years of the Kibbutz

The Kibbutz

The kibbutz is an original and unique Israeli creation – a multi-generation, rural settlement, characterized by its collective and cooperative community lifestyle, democratic management, responsibility for the welfare of each adult member and child, and shared ownership of its means of production and consumption.

A Bit of History

The first kibbutz, Degania, was founded by a group of a dozen, young pioneers in 1910, along the banks of the Sea of Galilee. Since then, 273 kibbutzim (half of them prior to the establishment of the State of Israel) have spread across the face of the country and, to a certain extent, have defined its borders.

Some 350 factories and corporations are registered as being owned by kibbutzim, with 70% of them along the periphery. About 41,000 people are employed in these factories, of which 9,500 are kibbutz members. The total income from agriculture reaches 6.5 billion IS – 34% of the agricultural production in Israel .

Their farming is well known.

That they produce their TV's, Steel, Tractor's, Cars, Computer's, International Container Ships shipping their manufactured products to them. In addtion to mining the resources needed to produce their energy and everything else supplying the large manufacturing plants they have.

WOW!!!!

Enjoying your belief that a small culture of good people working together for their good. Would be the outcome of Centralizing all control over hundreds of million of people into the hands of a few human beings. Some who will be a Trump type.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

If you are supporting, as I do, a Capitalist Social Welfare State using the the profits and wealth provided by Capitalist ownership and control of the means of production.

In the United States, federal assistance, also known as federal aid, federal benefits, or federal funds, is defined as any federal program, project, service, or activity provided by the federal government that directly assists domestic governments, organizations, or individuals in the areas of education, health, public safety, public welfare, and public works, among others.
The assistance, which can reach to over $400 billion annually,[1] is provided and administered by federal government agencies, such as the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, through special programs to recipients.

Also do some homework on how the governments of those 3 countries work and you may then understand where your country is going so wrong.

Guessing my reasons for being anti Socialist and pro a Capitalist Social Welfare State has converted him.