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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Seems to me like H.G._Wells was a social democrat, not a radical socialist:) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_H.G._Wells |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30687 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
You create you own definition and use it as a straw man to argue about. Didn't I say that a few posts ago? Of course creation of straw out of whole cloth provides the proof that the speaker knows he is talking out of the other side of his mouth. |
Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4548 Credit: 35,667,570 RAC: 4 |
is the following Socialism for the rich ? in my opinion yes. Why should a very profitable corporation, get Billions in U.S. taxpayer money ? I would like to hear other people's opinion ? May be i am wrong ? the following article appeared in Forbes.com written by Jason Notte Jason Notte is a business journalist and freelance writer. Follow him at @Notteham Tax dollars build sports stadiums far more often than they should, which is going to make this entire column possible. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonnotte/2018/08/17/your-tax-dollars-at-play-how-stadium-tax-scams-pick-fans-pockets/#2ff559166fb9 also: NFL gets billions in subsidies from U.S. taxpayers by Chris Isidore @CNNMoney January 30, 2015: 10:53 AM ET If you're a U.S. taxpayer then you're subsidizingHere's a rundown: https://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/companies/nfl-taxpayers/ |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11362 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
You create you own definition and use it as a straw man to argue about. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=83914&postid=1983838 Pretty much |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
is the following Socialism for the rich ?It's called Bread and Circuses when a government does it. … Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses. (Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34896 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Hogwash |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19091 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
After conflicting referenced definitions. Back to Topic. That's the Bernie Sanders idea of Socialism, and is not a view put forward by anyone else but you. Read about it here, https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/11/21/whatever-the-heck-bernie-sanders-is-talking-about-its-not-socialism/#5415662cab1a |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19091 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Hogwash Everything. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Since you mention the "Ruling Class". What ever happened to "We the people" in the USA? In our Constitution it's "All public power in Sweden is based on the people and the Riksdag is the people's foremost representative." |
cRunchy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3 |
... What is Socialism? I guess after 100+ years of arguements about what is communism \ Socialism | Facism \ Capitalism Et AL we shouldn't really be asking this question. I think at the moment given the world values (USA, Britain, China, Europe & Asia General , Russia ETC) are pro capital it is hard to cut out or see a more social - less financial world. Karl Marx believed that capitalism would be the engine that brought about a communist \ socialist world. I guess once all the resources are used up as a modern society we would have no choice to become social or face the consequences of individualism. For me the question isn't "What is Socialism" or whatever but the question is about how we can live with the benefits from our world where others suffer or gain less for what we get. What is realism? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34896 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
You've been told by me numerous times before Clyde, but unlike you I can't be bothered constantly repeating myself over and over and over again like you seem to love. How about instead of repeating yourself all the time why don't you start actually contributing something tangible to these threads instead? |
cRunchy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3 |
Since you mention the "Ruling Class". Sweden is a lucky country. After WW2 your ecconomy was still intact. (Britain's and others were fairly destroyed.) This is important now as Britain is still amongst the top 5 ecconomies even though we have only just paid off the WW2 debt. (I still wonder if we have yet paid enough...) No doubt there is a rulling class. In English history I believe there was a discussion with Oliver Cromwell. It was a about a forest between armies. Cromwell noted that whilst the forest separated them from us it also stood as a boundary that protects the poor from the rich. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
What is realism?Certainly realism is not a thought that you can make a political framework from. Perhaps in Utopia where a central government is not needed and no need to vote for representatives. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Sweden is a lucky country.Yes. We were very lucky. Just as Switzerland. In the 60's we were the second most richest country in the world after the US. I remember visiting England in the early 70's and everything was really cheap. Like a pint of beer that cost between 14 and 20 pence:) And likewise in France. However Germany at the same time was not so cheap... That was some years ago and now it's very expensive to visit England. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11362 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Socialism is a system which gives Government ownership and control over the means of production. @ Clyde, the example of Israeli an kibbutz contradicts your all encompassing statement. |
cRunchy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3 |
Sweden is a lucky country...... It is true. A plain loaf of bread here costs about £1 or about $1. Rent for a 1 bedroom flat \ apartment is about £120+ for a small private landlord palce. A bottle of Vodka is £10 in the main supermarkets. Paracetamol is 30p (£0.30) for a weeks worth but Co-codamol is £2.50 even though there is next to no real extra cost. Liter of milk is around 95p (£0.95) Today I guess Britain can raise it's prices. Perhaps when time is done we can raise our heads? |
cRunchy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3 |
Just out of interest which country do people think is the closest to socialism at the moment? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30687 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Just out of interest which country do people think is the closest to socialism at the moment? Quite possibly some of the Native American countries are actually socialist, however being subsumed by the USA ... |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Rent for a 1 bedroom flat \ apartment is about £120+ for a small private landlord palce.And here it's now a minimum of 400 pounds for a small bedsitter! Most 1 bedroom flat \ apartment is about 600 pounds!!!! |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34896 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Just out of interest which country do people think is the closest to socialism at the moment?Canada and New Zealand. During the GFC we were as well and we did quite well then with our economic standing in the world reaching 8th spot, but under our current capitalist government that has now dropped down to 36th spot. |
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