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Message 1985783 - Posted: 18 Mar 2019, 14:30:59 UTC - in response to Message 1985745.  


Are you thinking of Quantum Entanglement aka "Spooky action at a distance"?
There is no energy involved in that phenomena and therefore the second law of thermodynamics is still safe.


Can you prove that an action does not create a reaction and whilst the two energies might cancel each other out can you show that no energy has been expended or created.

'Quantum Entanglement' is an idea \ theory. It isn't an everyday proven fact.

If you observe the 'Quantum Entangled' how do you know you have not added or subtracted from the activity.

If in Quantum Entanglement no energy is involved then resonance, space and matter may also be collapsed or at issue.

Anyways.. The law of thermodynamics (heat) is essentially the same as saying movement of energy or matter within a system has equilibrium.

Localised I would agree.

I'm just looking at my aspect of the world.

It does my head in how in such a small aspect so many things are different.

...even at second glance.

I think as we look at the universe we might find something similar.
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Message 1985796 - Posted: 18 Mar 2019, 15:23:28 UTC - in response to Message 1985783.  
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Quantum Entanglement is very real. Several experiments have proved that.
Like this one recently.
Chinese Researchers Achieve Stunning Quantum-Entanglement Record
https://www.livescience.com/63067-quantum-entanglement-record-china.html
Did it explain or said how it works?
No. It's still a mystery. However scientists have some ideas why it works. But that's a long story.
I think as we look at the universe we might find something similar.
Looking at the universe is not enough.
You need particles like photons, electrons and other to do that, if you need proof that is. There are lot of phenomenas out there that's hidden to us that only can be explained by theories.
We are stuck between the quantum world and the boundary of the observable universe.
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Message 1985797 - Posted: 18 Mar 2019, 15:32:03 UTC - in response to Message 1985790.  

Can I have a large glass of what you are drinking please :-))
Hehe:) Beer with quantum foam helps a lot.
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Message 1985951 - Posted: 19 Mar 2019, 10:43:13 UTC
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OK. Here are some problem to tackle if you want to understand the origin of the universe.
An exploration of 10 aspects of the universe that we may never understand, no matter how long we study science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MA7jLKnQ4c
So why do we even bother to think further?
Well why not? It could be that something is missing in our knowledge including theories of our universe.
For instance, our knowledge of the quantum world is only a bit more then 100 years.
It started with Max Planck who wondered why a lightbulb first emit red light then yellow and then white when he increased the power.
So why didn't the light became blue when he increased the power even more?
That insight gave way for the study of Quantum Mechanics that later created a multi-trillion worth of business with electronic devices .
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Message 1985963 - Posted: 19 Mar 2019, 11:55:29 UTC - in response to Message 1985951.  
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Pardon my ignorance; but, I know enough about digital computers, programming and Boolean logic to ask:

What specifically could a quantum computer do that a conventional computer cannot do?
Explain fully why and why not.

Where is there a quantum computer?

What is the circuit diagram of a quantum computer?

How do i get data into and out of a quantum computer?

What is the program that allows the quantum computer to do the undoable?

Can a "Quantum" computer be modeled on a digital computer--if not why not.


You do all realize that transistors use tunneling between electrons and "Holes"--call it "quantum" if you like.
While you are enlightening me also let me know how they entangle a photon and how they tag them to be sure that the effects they are claiming are from the putative entangled pair.
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Message 1985965 - Posted: 19 Mar 2019, 12:21:29 UTC - in response to Message 1985963.  

That's quite off topic even though understanding Quantum Mechanics is one way to understanding the origin of the universe.
I have created this thread where I will answer your questions.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84045
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Message 1986092 - Posted: 20 Mar 2019, 11:47:10 UTC - in response to Message 1985965.  

Thank you sir
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Message 1986378 - Posted: 21 Mar 2019, 17:00:56 UTC

My opinion is that, in one form or another, the universe has always existed and will always exist. And that there is no way to prove it one way or another. I also think that it is futile to spend one's entire life trying to discover the answer to the question.
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Message 1986383 - Posted: 21 Mar 2019, 17:14:42 UTC

This is also what Stephen Hawking thought. I have read his posthumous book, "Brief answers to te big questions".
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Message 1986536 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 11:16:25 UTC - in response to Message 1986378.  

I think I need a definition of "always".
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Message 1986611 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 18:05:40 UTC - in response to Message 1986596.  

My opinion is that, in one form or another, the universe has always existed and will always exist. And that there is no way to prove it one way or another. I also think that it is futile to spend one's entire life trying to discover the answer to the question.

I would entirely 100% agree with you. But answer me this.

Why do Universities and other "apparently" scientific institutions employ social dropouts and nerds to research just that???? You wouldn't let your daughter marry one so why pay them money?

That answer is beyond the scope of my knowledge.
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Message 1986627 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 19:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 1986596.  

Why do Universities and other "apparently" scientific institutions employ social dropouts and nerds to research just that???? You wouldn't let your daughter marry one so why pay them money?

Precisely because they do not play follow the leader and question things.
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Message 1986636 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 20:47:04 UTC - in response to Message 1986596.  
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......But answer me this.

Why do Universities and other "apparently" scientific institutions employ social dropouts and nerds to research just that???? You wouldn't let your daughter marry one so why pay them money?

As volunteer crunchers we are all employed by Berkeley even if for no money..

I shall remember this wisdom and tell the young women in my family never to marry a SETI BOINCer. :)

Likelyhood is my family females will give me short shrift and tell me to get lost and not tell them what to do.

But if they do choose some 'drop out' we do have some poking sticks....

As to why

.... institutions employ social dropouts and nerds....

Maybe it is because we never applied for the possitions? :)
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Message 1986638 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 21:09:34 UTC - in response to Message 1986596.  
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Why do Universities and other "apparently" scientific institutions employ social dropouts and nerds to research just that???? You wouldn't let your daughter marry one so why pay them money?
One of the social "dropouts and nerds" that scientific institutions was very reluctant to hire was Albert Einstein.
He had to do odd jobs after graduating . Later he though managed to get a job at the patent office in Switzerland.
There he published four scientific articles. One was that he got the Nobel Prize for "the law of the photoelectric effect".
But he is perhaps most famous for what that he wrote at the same time is the theory of relativity, one of the two pillars of modern physics.
Then he was employed by many major Universities.
Just saying.
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Message 1986700 - Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 5:32:58 UTC
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Another nerd was Joseph Weber of the University of Maryland. He started installing big aluminium cylinders in different locations which should have detected gravitational waves, a feat described as impossible by Albert Einstein. He published on the Physical Review Letters an article titled "Evidence for discovery of gravitational radiation" in 1969. I cited that article in the 1970 Mondadori Yearbook of Science and Technology and was scolded by prof. Antonino Zichichi, an eminent Italian elementary particle physicist. But when the GW were detected in 2015 by the LIGO interferometers they employed the same basic idea of Weber, put two or three detectors at high distance and consider an event only if it is recorded at the same time on all. We need people who try impossible things.
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Message 1986716 - Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 11:34:00 UTC - in response to Message 1986700.  
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We need people who try impossible things.
Yes. Think if it wasn't any "nerds" in space exploration projects for instance...
Like in the SETI project...
https://www.facebook.com/spacecom/videos/10153740980976466/
And...

No. Let's do this instead.
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Message 1986717 - Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 12:14:23 UTC

The only social dropouts & nerds I'm aware of are those who sit on their butt wasting time on un-necessary risk assessments. For crying out, banning conkers because one might get injured - how asinine!
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Message 1986792 - Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 18:51:04 UTC - in response to Message 1986771.  

Not off topic in the least. It's your thread & you opened up the debate regarding social dropouts & nerds in the sciences. Yes, they maybe but they also populate other professions. Can you imagine one's daughter married to a risk assessor?
Yes
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& that's just on cooking dinner....
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Message 1987262 - Posted: 26 Mar 2019, 14:54:48 UTC

If you listen carefully between the lines most of the astronomers and physicists who talk about the origin of the universe admit that they really don't have a clue about the beginning or whether there was a beginning to everything. I think it is a question that will never be answered satisfactorily.
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Message 1987403 - Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 10:22:09 UTC

Maybe there wasn't a beginning...
What happened before the Big Bang?
https://phys.org/news/2019-03-big.html#jCp
A team of scientists has proposed a powerful new test for inflation, the theory that the universe dramatically expanded in size in a fleeting fraction of a second right after the Big Bang. Their goal is to give insight into a long-standing question: what was the universe like before the Big Bang?
Although cosmic inflation is well known for resolving some important mysteries about the structure and evolution of the universe, other very different theories can also explain these mysteries. In some of these theories, the state of the universe preceding the Big Bang – the so-called primordial universe – was contracting instead of expanding, and the Big Bang was thus a part of a Big Bounce.
To help decide between inflation and these other ideas, the issue of falsifiability – that is, whether a theory can be tested to potentially show it is false – has inevitably arisen.
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