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Message 1981494 - Posted: 21 Feb 2019, 14:44:36 UTC - in response to Message 1981491.  

Isn't it wonderful to live in such a mature, self-confident, democracy.
We've all heard it from our parents/grandparents - The good old days.

Sadly, I think our generation will the last to know what that meant. :-(
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Message 1981739 - Posted: 22 Feb 2019, 20:51:17 UTC

T"his legislation is the product of a root-and-branch trawl of our laws to determine what changes will be needed if the UK becomes a third country overnight."
Someone ought to tell this dumb leprechaun that the EU is not a country

Meanwhile...

Tower Hamlets "advises" its EU citizens via Garbage Trucks
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Message 1981912 - Posted: 23 Feb 2019, 21:24:09 UTC

"Borrowed" from the Amazon thread
They're kidding right?
Companies with the most valuable Brexit contracts include Boston Consulting Group, PWC and Deloitte, according to analysis firm Tussell.
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Message 1982148 - Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 15:21:51 UTC

I've said it twice, at least - Still can't see it happening

Meantime...

UK's standing (prefer sitting myself) :-)

Maybe diplomacy, and not just charity, should begin at home?
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Message 1982319 - Posted: 26 Feb 2019, 15:37:31 UTC
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One reson for Brexit is perhaps this.
Putin spokesman Peskov's daughter working for EU
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47370408
And perhaps for Swexit.
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Message 1982453 - Posted: 27 Feb 2019, 12:09:48 UTC

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Message 1982496 - Posted: 27 Feb 2019, 18:56:57 UTC - in response to Message 1977172.  

What appealing packaging? I've yet to have anyone explain what is so appealing about being ruled from abroad.

Then why did your country do it to so many peoples for so long? Perhaps it is time for: "Turn about is fair play."


I've no idea what time frame you're using, but if you're referring to the American War of Independence, back then the King was a Constitutional Monarch, he had no real power, that was all an illusion, much like today with Queen Elizabeth II, executive power at that time was wielded by the UK Parliament, like it is today, who were elected.

However, back then, with rotten boroughs, and the fact that only 5% of the UK Population was eligible to vote before Universal Suffrage after WW1, then the electorate were the top 5%, the rich people, and our military was forcing poor people into service, so you can extract from that, that 95% of people had no say in the foreign policy or war making of the UK.

Now you want people who have a vote, to have their democracy ignored, and then punish the UK for the actions of dead people against other dead people? I can only assume you also believe that if someone commits murder, then their children have to pay for that crime?

If you'd like to string up the 2/3rds of our Elected Parliament that wants us to stay within the EU, I'd have no objection and request a delay whilst I buy popcorn to watch.

Its looking increasingly like Parliament is going to ignore the Will of the British People, and force us into a deal where we pay £39 Billion for nothing, and allow the EU to run 60% of our Laws, for an indeterminate period of time. This is neither staying IN or OUT of the EU, and satisfies no-one except the EU, who are rubbing their hands at the actions of our stupid Parliament.

It's looking like they want to force us to Vote again, but wish to take WTO off the Ballot Paper, so its going to be either Remain, or mostly Remain.

I really don't know how much longer the British People are going to put up with this, but no doubt it will be entertaining for foreigners to watch.
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Message 1982539 - Posted: 28 Feb 2019, 1:54:07 UTC - in response to Message 1982496.  

What appealing packaging? I've yet to have anyone explain what is so appealing about being ruled from abroad.

Then why did your country do it to so many peoples for so long? Perhaps it is time for: "Turn about is fair play."


I've no idea what time frame you're using,

If I had to guess I'd say the time frame "The sun never sets on the British Empire."
As to location everything going west from Hong Kong, through England and west to the islands in the South Pacific.
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Message 1982707 - Posted: 1 Mar 2019, 1:18:13 UTC - in response to Message 1982539.  

What appealing packaging? I've yet to have anyone explain what is so appealing about being ruled from abroad.

Then why did your country do it to so many peoples for so long? Perhaps it is time for: "Turn about is fair play."


I've no idea what time frame you're using,

If I had to guess I'd say the time frame "The sun never sets on the British Empire."
As to location everything going west from Hong Kong, through England and west to the islands in the South Pacific.


Well duh, that's virtually the same period of time I've been talking about, 95% of the People of the UK had no say in how their country was being run, the top 5% ran the World for the top 5%, they elected themselves to rule in Parliament, WW1 is more about rich people squabbling than anything else.

The History of Universal Suffrage is a poor one in the UK

In the United Kingdom the removal of voting rights based on religion occurred with the Roman Catholic Relief Act 1791 and Roman Catholic Relief Act 1829. The right to vote has never since been based on race or religion except in Northern Ireland where a property requirement in effect excluded indigenous Irish Catholics from electing the Stormont Parliament in Belfast until the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement in 1969. All adult men were enfranchised by the Representation of the People Act 1918. This Act granted some women the right to vote in national elections, but about 60% of women (those under 30 or not meeting property qualifications) were excluded until the Equal Franchise Act 1928, when women were granted the vote on the same terms as men. The Representation of the People Act 1948 removed plural voting rights held by about 7% of the electorate. The Representation of the People Act 1969 reduced the voting age from 21 to 18.

So no, we aren't responsible for the actions of a Government we had no control over in terms of being able to vote them out of power every five years.

No, we're not going to be ruled from abroad by an appointed EU Commission with Global Corporate hands up their backs, making all the Laws here, Rubber Stamped by the EU Parliament, where we have barely 8% of the vote, to be reduced to less than 3.5% in 2020 by Qualified Majority Voting of the 27 other EU Member States, and forced upon us here in the UK. Especially when our GDP is greater than 19 other Member States added together, and they plan to make us pay for the asset stripping of UK Manufacturing, as the EU gives grants to UK Companies to move to Eastern Europe.

Maybe the US should be ruled by Mexico?
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Message 1982717 - Posted: 1 Mar 2019, 2:02:13 UTC - in response to Message 1982707.  

So no, we aren't responsible for the actions of a Government we had no control over in terms of being able to vote them out of power every five years.

Isn't that exactly what was claimed from the dock at Nuremberg?
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Message 1982723 - Posted: 1 Mar 2019, 2:19:06 UTC

Ok. So what's Brexit all about?
Net contribution to the EU per capita perhaps?
11 countries are net payers, 17 are not!
http://www.money-go-round.eu/
In 2016 the taxpayers of United Kingdom contributed to the European Union 154 euros per head over what they received.
Sweden 216 euros per head over what they received.
Ireland 5 euros per head over what they received.
Germany 220 euros per head over what they received.

In 2016 the taxpayers of Greece received from the European Union 372 euros per head over what they contributed.
Estonia 349 euros per head over what they contributed.
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Message 1982796 - Posted: 1 Mar 2019, 10:35:07 UTC

Government pays Eurotunnel £33m over Brexit ferry case
The government will pay £33m to Eurotunnel in an agreement to settle a lawsuit over extra ferry services in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Yet again, incompetence costs money in the long term.
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Message 1982841 - Posted: 1 Mar 2019, 14:13:29 UTC - in response to Message 1982796.  

Yet again, incompetence costs money in the long term.
Been that way for decades & has now permeated all levels from the top to the bottom. Any unwashed oink in the street complain, complaint brushed aside. Still complain & one gets labelled a troublemaker. 14th June 2017 highlighted that fact for all to see.
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Message 1983048 - Posted: 2 Mar 2019, 0:42:00 UTC - in response to Message 1982717.  

So no, we aren't responsible for the actions of a Government we had no control over in terms of being able to vote them out of power every five years.

Isn't that exactly what was claimed from the dock at Nuremberg?


Mmm...didn't we fight against those guys, single handedly for over a year, before the World took sufficient notice, and put them in that Court?

Trying to make out the British & Commonwealth that fought the Nazis, were in fact the Nazis, is not only a bit of a stretch, but really quite offensive, and immoral, so much so that I think this is the last time I'll respond to such nonsense.
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Message 1983069 - Posted: 2 Mar 2019, 2:16:24 UTC - in response to Message 1983048.  

Someone doesn't understand a legal theory that was advanced at a famous trial and exactly the same theory he advances to excuse the action/inaction of his ancestors.
The legal theory isn't confined to one group of people. It has been brought many times by many different people in many different courts.
Perhaps he should research it starting with international law. Then he might begin to understand why is it rejected by courts if raised.

After all his country was prosecuting at that famous trial and rejected that legal theory. I'm just surprised he would attempt to claim it as an excuse.

The theory: "I didn't have a choice."
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Message 1983348 - Posted: 4 Mar 2019, 7:51:53 UTC - in response to Message 1983347.  

She's found the magic money tree at last.
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Message 1983981 - Posted: 7 Mar 2019, 23:33:14 UTC - in response to Message 1983780.  

Great video, even left a comment. :-)

Teresa, just 21 days 23 hours & 28 minutes remaining...
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Message 1984256 - Posted: 9 Mar 2019, 8:30:53 UTC
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I see there is more coming out about Arron Banks, Arron Banks 'ignored deal to stop pro-Brexit ads' after Jo Cox death, to add to the questions about where all the money he donated (£8 million) and raised ($4 million) for the Leave.EU campaign, both possibly ilegaly from outside the UK. And the staff he provided for along with the £67,000 of funding for a “battle bus” for Nigel Farage.
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Message 1984718 - Posted: 12 Mar 2019, 11:05:49 UTC
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Snow storm

Still want to hear more about "those" alternative arrangements.

Just announced
Attorney General Geoffrey Cox says that new provisions "reduce the risk" of the UK being "indefinitely and involuntarily" held in the Irish backstop.
But he says "the legal risk remains unchanged", saying the UK would have no legal means of exiting without EU agreement.
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