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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
ITMA. That man did it again. Labour will never win while they have Corbyn at their head. The Lib Dems will definitely storm ahead if in their leadership contest, they DO NOT elect another "fop" like Nickerless Clegg. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Update. https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/c7zzdg3pmgpt/european-elections-2019 The projected results for the new European Parliament show significant losses for the two main groups, the centre-right European People’s Party and the centre-left Socialists and Democrats, although they remain the largest groups. Farage's Brexit party is expected to be one of the largest single parties in the European Parliament, together with the German CDU and Italian Lega, writes TT. Forza la Gran Bretagna:) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Farage's Brexit party is expected to be one of the largest single parties in the European Parliament, together with the German CDU and Italian Lega, writes TT.That's going to be crucial especially with Marine Le Pen in the mix. EU leaders come to Brussels on Tuesday to discuss that post and a host of other influential EU jobs about to become vacant, like that of European Council President (the person who represents all EU member countries in Brussels, replacing Donald Tusk) and the presidency of the European Central Bank.At least no more Mr Drunker. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Copy of the e-mail just sent. 1st, congratulations on such a fantastic win. I see that you do not want to see the UK pay the EU's financial settlement. Personally, I would pay it, but only after forcing the European Union to pay the UK a settlement of £250,000,000 for the constant breaches of their own rules & regulations, specifically the Dublin Regulation. Seeing on the mainstream media some time ago of the Mayor of Calais castigating the UK on the migrant issue followed by a French Minister calling the UK a "piddling little island" was a statement too far. On 26th July 2017 "The EU's top court has ruled that a law requiring refugees to seek asylum in the first country they reach applies even in exceptional circumstances." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40714946 If you genuinely believe what you stated in Southampton last night, then build a strong election team with the theme "A strong Britain is a united Britain. As seen on the 2nd May & last night, the two major parties in this country have shown all, just how ineffective & self serving they really are. The Brexit Party will be getting my vote on 6th June. An appropriate date in my view. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
I thought that right-wing nationalist (ENF) and populist groups (EFD) would had gained more in this EU election. ENF has now 58 seats from Italy, France, Austria, Belgium and Hungary. EFD 54 seats from the UK, Germany and Italy. And in Britain the anti-Brexit parties actually did better than the pro-Brexit ones But then the turnout of the EU election is much lower then if it was a referendum or a general election. However results in maps and charts https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48417191 When will the European Union get United? Nice vision but it will probably never happen... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
European MEP talks plainly & hard Tusk did not like it, TS. :-) Buy one, get one free :-) I know one thing, the European Parliament will be glad to see the back of him (as will the con artists & liebour) :-) German MEP in 2017. UK, last country with common sense to leave the EU Makes one wonder just what Mr Drunker & Mr Ivory are after. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
More like that Tusk being fed up with the british delays one after the other I would say. Anyway. Nigel Farage in the dovecote as Guy Verhofstadt put it:) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
â—¾Environment Secretary Michael Gove â—¾Health Secretary Matt Hancock â—¾Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt â—¾Home Secretary Sajid Javid â—¾Former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson x â—¾Former Leader of the House Andrea Leadsom â—¾Housing minister Kit Malthouse â—¾Former Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey â—¾Former Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab â—¾International Development Secretary Rory Stewart God help the UK for the next 3 years Yellowee Corbyn to back 2nd referendum |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 35094 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Quite frankly a 2nd referendum is absolutely needed IMHO as the 1st didn't have any exit plan to start with (and should've, but still doesn't have 1) while it also wasn't explained in any way properly to make full sense to any of the voting public. Hopefully a 2nd 1 now will have a much better educated voter attend the polls than before. Cheers. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
If that happens, then democracy in this country is dead. One only has to look to the shenanigans of the Maastricht & Lisbon treaties. Once the result of the referendum became known & Article 50 was declared, there were 2 years to formulate a trade agreement. If no agreement, leave at the end of the 2 years, leaving the UK to trade around the world. Haven't you already stated such a thing with the issues regarding Trump & his trade wars with Australia being able to trade with who they wish & not needing America to survive? You can't have your bread buttered on both sides. Edit: What is annoying is the remoaners camp stating that "taking all the remain parties" results, it comes to 40.6% thereby have the majority over the leavers. That is incorrect, as the leavers can do just the same. With the Labour party getting 14.1 % of the vote, a party which has both leaver & remainers within, on near enough an even split & adding to Tories, leave totals 51% - Remain on 47% .A near enough parity with the result of the 2016 referendum. A 2nd referendum = democracy dead. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 35094 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
You can't have your bread buttered on both sides.No you can't Sirius, but our position is greatly different to yours. Most of your trade is done through Europe, where as ours is mostly done through SE & Middle Asia (very little of our trading is actually directly done with the U.S., in fact it's very small amount of it). ;-) [edit] In fact we do more trade with Europe than we actually do with the U.S.. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Maybe so, but as seen with America, Canada & China, the EU chastised the UK for "daring" to go ahead with those agreements & forced the UK to cease. Question: When you speak of Europe, are you referring to the Continent of Europe or are you talking about the EU? There is one hell of a big difference between the 2. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 35094 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
The E.U. then as we're not sending our Vodka to Russia anymore. ;-) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Ah but you are in a way, many Europeans are now saying that the wall came down in 1991 but the EU is re-erecting it (a view I share, as the EU is too communistic for my liking). I listen to a talk-in show on Monday evening which threw up many surprises. A Romanian who lived under communist rule stated exactly that. He is a conservative member yet voted Brexit on Thursday. Another caller was a young Englishman from Leeds who at the time of the referendum was too young to vote (16) & had spent the time campaigning to remain & also was a young conservative. He gave up on the party approx. 6 months ago & voted for Brexit as his party was "an absolute joke". When he was told that they may expel him from the party if they get to know his identity, he said "Let them". I could not believe how many Tories called in with similar views. The UK needs a strong leader with a strong government, not a self serving one. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19135 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I think you have to be cautious with those numbers from last week. the turnout was low ~38% and compare it with the 80+% turnout for the referendum. Most people I spoke to thought last week was a total waste of time. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Agree, but they're not my numbers but those of the party leaders, as well as many "commentators". Edit: Many are saying that the reason why the turnout was so low was because, they voted to leave & didn't see the point of voting in an election for a group that the country would be leaving. Had they done so... |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 35094 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
That's what you get with right wing politics these days (playing on peoples' fears and elevating them) and we have to put up with another 3yrs of them here, but here they now know what the public wants so they stepped to the left (or more central) so that they have a chance of surviving (and they know that it's their final chance if they don't) as the left (who lost) also makes a step to the right (again more central) to have a better chance of winning the next round. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Here's hoping that Sunday's results does the same here. But atm that seems like cloud cuckoo land. :-( |
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