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Message 1988415 - Posted: 2 Apr 2019, 9:15:54 UTC
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No again ...
On Monday night, the British Parliament once again voted on its own Brexit proposals. Four suggestions were on the table - but once again the Members voted against everything.
The proposal closest to a yes was the proposal for a customs union with the EU - the EFTA / EEA motion the so-called "Common Market 2.0" option. It lost with only three votes - 273 against 276.
The EU chief negotiator in the Brexit issue, Michel Barnier, says today that the EU was ready to accept Britain staying in the EU’s customs union or a relationship akin to the one the EU has with Norway, aka "Norway plus".
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Message 1988418 - Posted: 2 Apr 2019, 11:36:47 UTC

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Message 1988423 - Posted: 2 Apr 2019, 13:34:42 UTC - in response to Message 1988415.  

he proposal closest to a yes was the proposal for a customs union with the EU - the EFTA / EEA motion the so-called "Common Market 2.0" option. It lost with only three votes - 273 against 276.

Er, thought they needed 320 ayes, to pass ....
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Message 1988424 - Posted: 2 Apr 2019, 13:39:13 UTC - in response to Message 1988423.  

Think you will find a good deal of the British public have had enough of all this shite and it was obvious it would be a complete fuc# up rite from the start .
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Message 1988429 - Posted: 2 Apr 2019, 14:06:12 UTC - in response to Message 1988423.  
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he proposal closest to a yes was the proposal for a customs union with the EU - the EFTA / EEA motion the so-called "Common Market 2.0" option. It lost with only three votes - 273 against 276.
Er, thought they needed 320 ayes, to pass ....
Well it depends on abstentions and absences on the day.
Around 320 ayes are needed to guarantee a majority as there are a handful of non-voting members of the house such as the speaker and others who don't take up their seats.
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Message 1988453 - Posted: 2 Apr 2019, 15:22:21 UTC - in response to Message 1988429.  
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he proposal closest to a yes was the proposal for a customs union with the EU - the EFTA / EEA motion the so-called "Common Market 2.0" option. It lost with only three votes - 273 against 276.
Er, thought they needed 320 ayes, to pass ....
Well it depends on abstentions and absences on the day.
Around 320 ayes are needed to guarantee a majority as there are a handful of non-voting members of the house such as the speaker and others who don't take up their seats.

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2019/how-the-world-votes-2019/index.html
Yes it does depend on how the missing votes are or are not counted.
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Message 1988482 - Posted: 2 Apr 2019, 21:31:20 UTC

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Message 1988507 - Posted: 3 Apr 2019, 1:10:07 UTC - in response to Message 1988453.  
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Well it depends on abstentions and absences on the day.
Around 320 ayes are needed to guarantee a majority as there are a handful of non-voting members of the house such as the speaker and others who don't take up their seats.

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2019/how-the-world-votes-2019/index.html
Yes it does depend on how the missing votes are or are not counted.
AFAIK when the House of Commons have voted about Brexit it has been a simple majority vote.
Meaning that a vote proposal must be supported by more than half of the total number of votes cast, no matter how many are voting.
Not an absolute majority vote that means that a vote proposal must be supported by more than half of the total number of possible votes.
Rather surprising that so many MPs decided not to vote in the house ...
Only 549 of about 640 elegible voters voted. A turnout of 86%... That's about the same turnout that we the Swedish people have in general elections!
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Message 1988537 - Posted: 3 Apr 2019, 3:46:46 UTC - in response to Message 1988507.  

Rather surprising that so many MPs decided not to vote in the house ...
Only 549 of about 640 elegible voters voted. A turnout of 86%... That's about the same turnout that we the Swedish people have in general elections!

Tells the world how important Brexit actually is. Not at all!
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Message 1988566 - Posted: 3 Apr 2019, 7:46:01 UTC - in response to Message 1988537.  

Rather surprising that so many MPs decided not to vote in the house ...
Only 549 of about 640 elegible voters voted. A turnout of 86%... That's about the same turnout that we the Swedish people have in general elections!
Tells the world how important Brexit actually is. Not at all!
It was a deliberate policy decision. That was the vote where the 'backbenchers' - the ordinary members of parliament, not holders of higher office - took over the rulebook to show they could do it better than their masters and mistresses.

On the Government side, the payroll vote - all those holders of higher office - were ordered to abstain, presumably to deliberately show that the plebs were useless.
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Message 1988567 - Posted: 3 Apr 2019, 8:11:26 UTC - in response to Message 1988566.  
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I read a comment somewhere that Britain's government today has not been so bad since before Cromwell's government.
Oh here it is:)
Brexit: 'Worst Parliament since Oliver Cromwell' - BBC Newsnight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGkpKeH_BeQ
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Message 1988571 - Posted: 3 Apr 2019, 10:52:05 UTC - in response to Message 1988482.  
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Oh no, not this
Wow didn't hear anything on the local news about that. Hope they catch the buggers.

Disgraceful
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Message 1988588 - Posted: 3 Apr 2019, 14:42:19 UTC

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Message 1988610 - Posted: 3 Apr 2019, 18:16:11 UTC
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Back in the Commons, Tory MP Bob Seely says he is opposing the Article 50 bill which he describes as the "water torture of endless delay".
The Isle of Wight MP says the best way for politicians to improve their reputations in the eyes of voters is to do what they say they would do.
"This chaos is self-induced by people who don't want Brexit," he adds.

Jeremy Corbyn has described his meeting with Theresa May as "useful but inconclusive".
In a TV interview, he said there had not been "as much change as he expected" in the PM's approach and Mrs May had to come up with something new to make her Brexit deal acceptable to MPs.
The Labour leader said he raised a range of issues, including future customs arrangements, trade agreements and regulatory alignment.
The PM, he added, appears keen to get a deal through Parliament next week in order to avoid the UK having to take part in European elections.
He said he had told the prime minister that he wanted to pursue the option of another referendum - but there was no agreement on that issue.
Technical discussions between the two sides will continue over the coming days, he said.

Yvette Cooper finishes her speech, rejecting claims the bill is being rushed through.
She says MPs cannot sit back and do nothing when there are nine days to go before the UK is due to leave the EU and "no-one knows what is happening".
But, speaking next, Conservative MP Andrew Percy says Leave voters in his constituency and elsewhere could be forgiven for thinking there is a "giant stitch-up" going on.
It's all very well people talking about coming together, he says, but when the people doing this are "on the other side of the campaign", the sense is that this is really an attempt to overturn the result of the referendum.

Just another day in cloud cuckoo land.
The second reading of Yvette Cooper's bill to prevent a no-deal Brexit is voted through by 315 to 310.
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Message 1988682 - Posted: 4 Apr 2019, 7:17:57 UTC

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Message 1988692 - Posted: 4 Apr 2019, 10:02:50 UTC

Went to my local Sainsburies this morning. At the checkout I had the American woman that serves...

Anyway various people were chatting to her (she is a chatty being) and in the process I asked her what she thought about 'Brexit' (as an American.)

She paused with a seriousness and told me she couldn't talk about that.

I asked her why and she said the police had advised (on the radio) people not to talk about it in case it incited violence.

I looked at her and said the police have no legal right to tell you what to say or make you feel unable to express your thoughts..

She said 'I know but'..

(It is also likely that the company she works for has also impressed this moratorium on their workers.)

I'm not going to push a front line worker but I would have appreciated her insight as an American living and working in the UK.

Beyond the 'big word' politics there will be some local social ramifications not yet seen to Brexit.
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Message 1988700 - Posted: 4 Apr 2019, 12:22:30 UTC - in response to Message 1988692.  
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Some of the pubs in my locality have similarly banned discussing Brexit so as to avoid 'overenthusiastic' arguments.

Unfortunately, Brexit and some romantic dream of a fairytail 'sovereignty', has become a religion that cannot be argued against... Real world politics are ignored...


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Message 1988759 - Posted: 4 Apr 2019, 17:50:22 UTC

Hear Brexit is so bad you've sprung a leak and are taking on water ;-)
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Message 1988793 - Posted: 4 Apr 2019, 21:08:15 UTC - in response to Message 1988759.  

Hear Brexit is so bad you've sprung a leak and are taking on water ;-)
Yup, no more votes until Tuesday at least. I wonder if the EU will accept that as a valid reason for extending.

Meanwhile, the political form of leaking continues unabated...
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Message 1988826 - Posted: 5 Apr 2019, 1:08:55 UTC - in response to Message 1988759.  

Just a bit.

Spookily... it was a prediction back in November, 2016:

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has said the UK will make a "Titanic success" of Brexit.
...and widely believed to be the only time he told the truth. I can't verify that though ;)
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