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Message 1986511 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 7:08:37 UTC

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Message 1986514 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 7:52:12 UTC - in response to Message 1986451.  

Sky News can reveal that the government has taken out hundreds of gagging orders as part of its preparations for a no-deal Brexit. The orders, formerly known as non-disclosure agreements (NDAs), are legally binding contracts to stop confidential conversations being talked about in public.
Surely those are 'formally' known as NDAs? If reporters can't write basic English, I worry about their news accuracy.

Mind you, as an avid reader of the Grauniad, I shouldn't complain...
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Message 1986516 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 8:05:42 UTC - in response to Message 1986343.  

I bet they'll listen if it hits 17.5 million.
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Message 1986519 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 8:31:37 UTC

I beg to disagree.

formally
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officially.
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Message 1986520 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 8:41:40 UTC - in response to Message 1986519.  

2.
officially.
"Gagging orders, officially known as Non Disclosure Agreements" (by the courts which adjudicate on them)

One could quibble with the word 'Agreement', since they're normally demanded unilaterally by the more powerful party to the transaction.
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Message 1986522 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 8:53:01 UTC

Since 23/6/16 that's all that's been seen, quibbling. I don't recall seeing deal or no deal on the ballot papers just leave or remain. 51.9% said leave so leave it should be. The politicians then would have to earn their money negotiating trade deals.
Europe itself is dreading the no deal scenario.
The question is WHY?
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Message 1986530 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 10:37:14 UTC
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"I think the time is now to deliver for the British people, the time is now to make the decision."
And she signalled her regret for her blistering attack on Parliament on Wednesday night.
Hmm, big improvement. Took her a year to regret her actions at Grenfell, only 1.5 days for this one. Or it could be the case she's butt kissing to save her job!

Earlier, the Mr May was forced to endure the humiliation of waiting outside a summit room for hours as feuding EU leaders carved up Brexit’s timetable without her.
The PM went to Brussels to issue a plea for a three month Brexit delay to June 30 to give her a final chance to pass her exit deal next week.

After grilling her for 90 minutes, Europe’s 27 leaders then asked her to leave.
A massive row then ignited among them over what to do, as different national bosses pitched different ideas and ripped up Mrs May’s - with all fearing her third and final ultimatum to MPs would fail.

In an embarrassment to her, Britain’s PM was left having to wait nervously for more than five hours in a nearby room with no windows, with only her No10 officials for company.
Better one would be one that had bars & a steel door!
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Message 1986533 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 10:48:45 UTC - in response to Message 1986522.  

Since 23/6/16 that's all that's been seen, quibbling. I don't recall seeing deal or no deal on the ballot papers just leave or remain. 51.9% said leave so leave it should be. The politicians then would have to earn their money negotiating trade deals.
Europe itself is dreading the no deal scenario.
The question is WHY?

Maybe they cannot, or do not want to, afford the lawyers.

What about your bacon butty* made with Danish Bacon. Is that a deal with the EU or not, considering the UK has been the biggest customer since the 19th century.

* Correct terminology, it is never a bacon sandwich.
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Message 1986535 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 11:06:54 UTC - in response to Message 1986533.  
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Ah, but that is just one of the reasons why their dreading a no deal. :-)
Tory MP Michael Fabricant expresses disappointment the UK is not leaving the EU on 29 March.
"Even the Bank of England now say that a no-deal Brexit is workable given the tranche of legislation that has been passed since November on both sides of the Channel," he tells the Press Association.

"At this difficult time we need a Churchill, not a Chamberlain."
Or a Maggie, one thing May never will be!
How the EU sees it
Well, Brexit has boosted the Dutch economy - 900 new jobs. :-)

The manager of Europe's largest port, at Rotterdam in the Netherlands, says he feels "definitely relieved" about the Brexit extension, but he is still preparing for the UK to leave on the 29 March.

Mark Dijk says he fears trade would be hit significantly if the UK left the EU without a deal.
“We think we can lose 30% to 40% of the total trade volumes between the UK and Rotterdam," he tells BBC News.
A no-deal Brexit will cost the Netherlands an estimated €2.3bn (£2bn) by 2023, according to the Dutch Court of Audit.
Some 35,000 Dutch companies only export to the current customs union. When the UK leaves, they'll have to deal with customs for the first time.
In an effort to smooth the transition, the Dutch government is hiring more than 900 customs, agricultural and veterinary inspectors.
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Message 1986547 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 12:54:02 UTC - in response to Message 1986343.  

Or even https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

I signed this morning at around #660,000 (and it took me several attempts to reach each page in the process). It's gone up by 300,000 since then, and will probably break through a million this afternoon, UK time. But I don't think anyone is listening.

Total now >3 million.
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Message 1986554 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 13:05:16 UTC - in response to Message 1985737.  

Fascist 'European Economic Community' to 'European Union'. That is quite a bit of a stretch.


Unfortunately, that was the first time European Economic Community was used, so not a stretch, a fact, however I think Gorbachev's words were more apt when considering what the European Union actually is.

I suspect that most people voted stay or go emotionally and only the minority middle \ upper classes or intellectuals voted with their wallet, ideology or with ideas like the 'Lisbon Treaty' et al?

Many voted to leave because since Thatcher (Circa 1999) there has been no real opponents to the march towards monetarism in the UK and certainly no social minded governments.


Mmm...I don't think the argument that people were too stupid to vote really carries well with the electorate, certainly Europhiles in Parliament appear to use that position, and of course there is the Communist/Cultural Marxist Shadow Government in waiting in the form of the Labour Party, and if ever there was a deficit in intelligent life we don't need SETI to look for it, just look at the Shadow Cabinet.

The end finances of leaving the EU is yet to be seen.


True, but I'd much rather listen to an independent expert than anyone in Westminster.

There certainly is a relationship building with China and cheap products including low quality piece meal items for the masses.

(It is even driving down legal standards in the UK. For example at one time it would be illegal or unthinkable to sell an electrical device \ component that did not have a UK or EU stamp of approval on it. Now we can buy (and the local shops sell) any old cheap crap... I know... I've had things set on fire that should not have.)


I'd rather the old BSI Mark rather than the EU Stamp of Approval on anything, all it means is it meets their rules, it doesn't mean its any good at what it does.

I don't think all Americans would agree that leaving a wide community for some short (or projected long) term benefits would be a 'no brainer.'


I certainly don't think they would accept being ruled by Canada or Mexico, and have their Laws, Trade, Taxation, and Currency set by an Appointed Committee, with no means to remove them.

20% of the US can't afford basic health care including primary first aid or basic dental care.


Your point is vague, perhaps its a reference to the NHS, that was set up in 1948, before EEC/EU Membership started in 1973? Who knows, certainly Healthcare within the EU is better than that of the US, but we had the best Healthcare System in the World long before the EU, which does not control the NHS, in case anyone is wondering, not until 2020 under the Lisbon Treaty anyway.

It is likely that a larger number struggle to keep a basic or average level of living standards.


Whilst speculation might be interesting, I'd rather someone from the US considered these matters.

For me I think we are facing something of an emotional or perhaps primordial reaction in the Brexit vote.


Intellectual capacity again? Just don't go there.

The reason we haven't left yet or started to disconnect is because the powerful and wealthy are postulating and second guessing what they personally will gain or lose. They also have no regard for law or our political system as things would have moved much quicker otherwise.


Certainly Westminster appears all about vested interests, and self interests, to the point that MPs are selfish, and they would rather obfuscate and confuse, rather than think about the rest of us.

(My vote on Brexit is private as the majority has voted..)


Each to their own, I'm not bothered whether anyone knows, I voted Leave, and would still vote Leave.
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Message 1986557 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 13:14:23 UTC - in response to Message 1985844.  

Suggested reading for a better understanding of the EU:
Sir Arthur Salter - The United States of Europe 1933
The Great Deception 2005 - Updated 2016


Maybe after we've left on the 29th
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Message 1986558 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 13:21:11 UTC

Since 18 May 1955, the "European Project" has been built on deliberate deceit & nothing seen since then has denied that. In fact, "Europa" the EU's own website has even omitted crucial facts about its formation in its history of the EU.
On 18 May 1955 the Benelux foreign ministers offered a document to their ECSC counterparts known as the ‘Benelux Memorandum’. This linked the Beyen and Monnet strategies, in what was to become known as the junktim, suggesting that a working group should be set up to draft treaties for a ‘common market’. The integration of transport, energy, nuclear energy and social legislation would all be included. Erhard’s views had been ignored.
This memorandum had, in fact, been composed by Spaak, based on a draft prepared by himself and Monnet. After Spaak had amended Monnet’s version, he sent it back with the note ‘Ici votre bébé’ (‘Herewith your baby’). The most significant change was that the words ‘United States of Europe’ in Monnet’s original had been struck out. Spaak was careful to give more emphasis to the idea of an ‘economic community.
Thus did the central deception of the whole story become established. From now on, the real agenda, political integration, was to be deliberately concealed under the guise of economic integration. Building ‘Europe’ was to be presented as a matter of trade and jobs.
Confirmed by Frau Merkel herself with her statement "It is a political, fiscal & economic union" we desire.
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Message 1986560 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 13:22:35 UTC - in response to Message 1986557.  
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Suggested reading for a better understanding of the EU:
Sir Arthur Salter - The United States of Europe 1933
The Great Deception 2005 - Updated 2016


Maybe after we've left on the 29th
April 12th or maybe May 22nd. :-(

Personally, I was looking forward to 23:00 29/3/19.
I'm not anti-Europe but certainly am anti-EU - Always have been.
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Message 1986635 - Posted: 22 Mar 2019, 20:37:54 UTC

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Message 1986723 - Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 13:00:10 UTC

I've always felt that the EU will be the cause of Britain self destructing & nothing seen over the last 3 years has convinced otherwise. :-(

Biggest fiasco in British history

Country divided

Democracy destroyed

What next?
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Message 1986773 - Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 17:06:51 UTC

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Message 1986789 - Posted: 23 Mar 2019, 18:11:43 UTC
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Over a million people march for a people's vote now in London.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/23/brexit-hundreds-of-thousands-expected-to-march-for-peoples-vote-london-live-updates
I love the sign "IKEA has better cabinets":)
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Message 1986885 - Posted: 24 Mar 2019, 12:31:26 UTC

May urged to quit
Too late, the damage is done.

The best though was from the retired academic who started the petition.
"Democracy is ruled by society for society, not the majority for the majority," she said.
Someone should explain democracy to her. She's currently on holiday in Cyprus - Didn't the EU wreck them or has she forgotten that fact?

Cancel Brexit

So the 41.9% want to stuff the 58.1% - so much for her version of society for society!
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Message 1987081 - Posted: 25 Mar 2019, 17:38:53 UTC

Theresa May still has no solution for the Brexit Drama. In a speech in parliament, she admits that she has failed to gather enough support for her brexit agreement for a possible third vote. At the same time, the EU Commission says that all preparations are ready to meet a no-deal brexit on April 12.

The EU Commission warns of queues at the border with the UK and that, from day one, April 13, if it becomes a no-deal , British citizens are considered third-country nationals.
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