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Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14655 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
If you want a witch to hunt, read the story of Jordan Worth, also in the news on Tuesday. At least she was sentenced to seven-and-a-half years in prison after a trial in April 2018. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
No witch hunt here. She's broken both British & Sharia law. ARE you now saying that laws are meant to be broken & remain unpunished? |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
No conclusion but I have serious doubts about her story! Video in english https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/is-tonaring-vill-hem-till-storbritannien-folk-borde-ha-sympati No sympathy from me! |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3777 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
From your link Islamic law for treachery against the nation is death & as seen still applied & carried out. In the West, no death penalty, but in Britain, it has been commuted to life imprisonment. Someone should make her aware just what being Islamic entails as well as being a British citizen. If made an example of with both British & Islamic Laws emphasised, maybe many more will think twice before going on what they consider to be "jaunts". |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I see your point. However, as I pointed out, which law is she covered by or wishes to be covered by? The Koran actually says: Obey the laws of the land you reside in. It seems that Canada has the same laws as Britain: The punishment for high treason is life imprisonment, without parole eligibility for 25 years. ... Canadian citizens and persons owing allegiance to Her Majesty in right of Canada who commit acts of high treason or treason are punishable under Canadian criminal law even if the acts were performed outside Canada. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
I deny and reject the existence of any god(s).LOL:) So do I. But then again how can one tell there is no existence of any god(s )? It's like come to the conclusion that if you put one glass in the ocean but not catching a fish there are no fishes in the ocean. Just thinking:) |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3777 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
I see your point. However, as I pointed out, which law is she covered by or wishes to be covered by?مرØبا For heaven's sake. Most muslims haven't read the Quran despite that is very tiny book! I have even studied the part considering the relationship between humans and dogs. And almost every muslim get that part very wrong:) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
LOL. That is more true than you can ever realise. The thing that bugs me is when did the burka take hold in the West? Just go on Youtube & search for any video on the liberation of North Africa. Libya & Tunisia have several. Many of those videos show Muslim girls dressed modestly & without head coverings. I actually pointed that out to several Muslim friends recently & called the burka wearers "Ninja"s. Raised many laughs but I saw that the points I raised made them thoughtful. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3777 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
As far as I know, the only directive in the Qu'ran is that women (and men) should dress modestly when in public, and women should cover their bosoms. The over-the-top outfits are a tribal/sectarian affectation, but are in no way required. In fact while on Hajj, the niqab/burka (screen) veil is prohibited. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Since I have read the Quran. https://quran.com/. I don't recall any mentioning about womens clothing... Maybe that they should hide their hair. But hiding their faces with a burka... I have no problem with women wearing a shador though. My dentist wear one:) From the Quran about women clothings. Chapter 33, Verse 59: O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons: that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
As far as I know, the only directive in the Qu'ran is that women (and men) should dress modestly when in public, and women should cover their bosoms. The over-the-top outfits are a tribal/sectarian affectation, but are in no way required. In fact while on Hajj, the niqab/burka (screen) veil is prohibited.With the Hajj being the pilgrimage to Mecca. So as the burka is prohibited, why the screams heard from Muslims throughout Europe when some European governments actually banned the wearing of it under national security? Makes one think does it not? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
As far as I know, the only directive in the Qu'ran is that women (and men) should dress modestly when in public, and women should cover their bosoms. The over-the-top outfits are a tribal/sectarian affectation, but are in no way required. In fact while on Hajj, the niqab/burka (screen) veil is prohibited.With the Hajj being the pilgrimage to Mecca. Depends upon which hadith your sect believes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
If it is to Mecca, it does not matter what sect. Mecca prohibits the wearing of it. Edit: More exactly - It is not illegal for a woman to wear a burqa or niqab in Mecca. It is not allowed for pilgrims on the Hajj to wear a burqa or niqab during Ihram which happens in Mecca. It is specified in a hadith that women should not wear niqab or gloves during that time. Non-pilgrims in Mecca should have no issue wearing burqa or niqab. |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
I'm with Richard on this one. My other half's viewpoint on the other hand, is probably mostly that of Sirius's. That it's a huge thorn-bush of a problem is why. I'm not in favour of her being stripped of her British nationality. Certainly not in the way it's been done. She was radicalised/groomed here. She was fifteen when she left the country. This is our mess to clean up, no one else's. Syria has suffered enough without the people our countries provided ISIS with being left there, surely? Can we think Bangladesh would de-radicalise her better than we could try to? Whether that be in prison or out of it? What she became part of was about as twisted and depraved as things can get, I know :( And whether someone can find their way back from that is far from certain. Yet some of the best mentors and youth workers are former gang members, or drug addicts that have shaken off the shadows of their pasts and gone on to help others to not make the same choices they did. I don't know if Shamima could rise to that. I do feel she is our responsibility, though. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I've been quiet on this one because I'm sure there are some from my country too. Morally Annie is correct, if you aren't going to just slaughter the lot. Might have to put them up in rubber rooms until they come out with a toe tag, but they are your county's citizens, you should have to pay to keep the world safe from them. If your country doesn't have the stomach to put someone in a rubber room for life I can see the reasoning to simply make them stateless and not make the taxpayer foot the bill. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Didn't Trump demand that we all take back our nationals that joined IS & deal with them accordingly? I only suggested leaving there is because I know this country too well. What will eventually happen is that not only will lawyers have a field supping from the public purse but the PC brigade, Human Rights brigade will "defend" her rights. She will then end up & possibly the family as well, relocated, given new identity & all the benefits from a welfare state. Whichever angle this is looked at, it will end up costing the country, so time an example was set. We have laws for a reason. Prosecute & convict for treachery/treason. There is not a Muslim or true Islamic believer in this country that can argue against that as both British & Islamic laws are in agreement. 25 years behind bars before parole is even considered. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19135 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
UK rehomes some 100 Syria White Helmets and family members Some 100 volunteers and family members from the Syria White Helmets civil defence group have been resettled in the UK, the Home Office has confirmed. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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