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Message 1942487 - Posted: 3 Jul 2018, 14:49:26 UTC - in response to Message 1942486.  

Incorrect, yet again. I suppose we just have to accept your ramblings. The tariffs were low. The Blonde Bimbo got greedy by putting a MUCH higher & unacceptable rate which is why the RotW retaliated.
Something you America 1st gurus keep forgetting - For every action, there will be a reaction. Yankee Doodle Dandy land cocked up & now you got bit hard, you want to act like an innocent virgin?
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Message 1942492 - Posted: 3 Jul 2018, 15:08:38 UTC - in response to Message 1942468.  

Your ignoring the macro economics of the Trump trade policies is appalling.

Perhaps yes, perhaps no.

Since the Old Order is coming to an end.

Where are the proposals to move into the future with Trade and other Economic Agreements beneficial to all concerned?

There are none from those attacking Trump inside and outside the USA.

There is no perhaps, trade only occurs when both sides profit, less trade = less profit. The problem is how are the profits distributed.
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Message 1942494 - Posted: 3 Jul 2018, 15:15:20 UTC - in response to Message 1942480.  
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Trump right now.
Now that Harley-Davidson is moving part of its operation out of the U.S., my Administration is working with other Motor Cycle companies who want to move into the U.S. Harley customers are not happy with their move - sales are down 7% in 2017. The U.S. is where the Action is!
Interesting.
American motorcycle companies moving out and other countries moving in.
Most likely the same american workers will do the same job.
Or will they?
Accept a huge cut in salaries and it perhaps will work.

Hi moomin...
Just the same as all the 'foreign' production of cars, SUV's, trucks, etc. inside our country.
Damn good wages!
Then of course it's not only about salaries.
Trump says he wants to protect US jobs - but car manufacturers' representatives now point out that both US consumers and employees will be harmed by higher tariffs.
The Association of Global Automakers - representing major foreign car manufacturers like Toyota Motor Corp., Volkswagen AG, BMW AG and Hyundai Motor Co. - says in its statement that the duties do not create jobs.
"Customs only cause hundreds of thousands of US jobs related to cars and car parts to be lost.

The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, representing, among others, General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co., Daimler AG and Toyota also warns of negative consequences.
"We believe that tariffs on imported cars and car components will ultimately hurt the US economy.
The group call it a "mistake", and points out that a Trump's planned customs can become a dangerous precedent that other countries can start using to protect their own markets from foreign competition.
According to the Alliance, car sales analyzes in 2017 have shown that a 25% duty on imported vehicles leads to a price increase of averaging $ 5,800, which significantly increases the cost of American consumers at year-end.
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Message 1942495 - Posted: 3 Jul 2018, 15:16:29 UTC - in response to Message 1942493.  

I'll answer that sensibly when you stop your religious ramblings.
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Message 1942497 - Posted: 3 Jul 2018, 15:27:17 UTC - in response to Message 1942496.  

Tariff free shopping I trust :-)
BTW, take your time.
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Message 1942499 - Posted: 3 Jul 2018, 15:42:47 UTC - in response to Message 1942497.  

Perhaps he didn't listen to EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström who said "Plan your whiskey purchases" four months ago.
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Message 1942517 - Posted: 3 Jul 2018, 21:10:05 UTC

I wonder if a text book on basis economics will be on that shopping list.
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Message 1942521 - Posted: 3 Jul 2018, 21:13:42 UTC - in response to Message 1942499.  

He prefers Argentine sangria. Needs to buy a lot of it as they got knocked of the world cup so need to drown their sorrow :-)
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Message 1942525 - Posted: 3 Jul 2018, 21:33:39 UTC

Can we focus on the the thread, if you wish to comment on other posters, there is a thread for that.

Thank you.
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Message 1942815 - Posted: 6 Jul 2018, 1:21:30 UTC - in response to Message 1942810.  

I would include the necessity of higher wages to attract new workers and keep existing workers.

This has been a continuing problem inside the USA for some time. Even after Trump announced his intentions regarding Tariff's and then implemented some.

The Trump tariffs and the worlds reaction will reduce the demand for labor. Problem solved.
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Message 1942827 - Posted: 6 Jul 2018, 3:32:08 UTC - in response to Message 1942817.  

I would include the necessity of higher wages to attract new workers and keep existing workers.

This has been a continuing problem inside the USA for some time. Even after Trump announced his intentions regarding Tariff's and then implemented some.

The Trump tariffs and the worlds reaction will reduce the demand for labor. Problem solved.

Inside the USA having to produce more because imported goods are priced high?

Only if can afford them. If it contains steel, then
Steel (USA) Price Outlook
Prices for Hot-Rolled Coil U.S. Steel gained considerable ground in the last few weeks, driven up by the imposition by the U.S. of a 25% tariff on steel imports from Canada, Mexico and the European Union, which came into force on 1 June. Steel traded at USD 909 per metric ton on 8 June, which was 4.5% higher than on the same day in May and was up 44.5% on a year-to-date basis. The price was 53.8% higher than on the same day last year.


Why is there a severe worker shortage inside the USA?

There is a severe shortage of qualified workers. 46% of companies cannot find the skills needed.
And some companies (GM is an example) because of shortages and increased cost of raw materials, investment on expansion inside the US is on hold.

Yes, just questions.

Let's see if a disagreement with the above questioner will, as always, start a personal attack against the questioner.
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Message 1942836 - Posted: 6 Jul 2018, 4:31:03 UTC - in response to Message 1942827.  

Why is there a severe worker shortage inside the USA?

There is a severe shortage of qualified workers. 46% of companies cannot find the skills needed.
And some companies (GM is an example) because of shortages and increased cost of raw materials, investment on expansion inside the US is on hold.

Unfortunately, it was decided some years ago to abandon public education for all and only allow education for those whose parents were rich enough to pay tuition at private or charter schools. It was also decided to prohibit immigration of qualified workers.

The USA is now reaping the rewards of these decisions which will limit the ability of USA businesses to compete on the global market for decades to come.
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Message 1942856 - Posted: 6 Jul 2018, 8:15:34 UTC - in response to Message 1942836.  
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Why is there a severe worker shortage inside the USA?

There is a severe shortage of qualified workers. 46% of companies cannot find the skills needed.
And some companies (GM is an example) because of shortages and increased cost of raw materials, investment on expansion inside the US is on hold.

Unfortunately, it was decided some years ago to abandon public education for all and only allow education for those whose parents were rich enough to pay tuition at private or charter schools. It was also decided to prohibit immigration of qualified workers.

The USA is now reaping the rewards of these decisions which will limit the ability of USA businesses to compete on the global market for decades to come.
Warned you were, listen you didn't. ;-)

Clyde, just for you. ;-)
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Message 1942897 - Posted: 6 Jul 2018, 17:19:12 UTC
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Now Russia is entering the trade war. According to a statement from the country's Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev Russia has signed on imposing additional tariffs on some US goods by 25-40 percent.
Among other things, fiber optics, road construction materials, gas and oil industry, metal processing and mining industries will be covered.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44742714

Btw. Has Trump commented about what the US Chamber of Commerce says?
https://www.uschamber.com/tariffs
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Message 1942904 - Posted: 6 Jul 2018, 18:38:29 UTC - in response to Message 1942897.  

Btw. Has Trump Clyde commented about what the US Chamber of Commerce says?
https://www.uschamber.com/tariffs
Millions of U.S. jobs depend on America’s ability to trade with other countries. Half of all U.S. manufacturing jobs depend on exports, and one in three acres of American farmland is planted for international sales. But recent and proposed trade actions by the Trump administration threaten as many as 2.6 million American jobs and will stymie our economic resurgence.
Just wondering - Is the US Chamber of Commerce run by non-Americans thereby giving the three stooges an escape clause?
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Message 1942945 - Posted: 6 Jul 2018, 22:40:06 UTC - in response to Message 1942904.  
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Btw. Has Trump Clyde commented about what the US Chamber of Commerce says?
https://www.uschamber.com/tariffs
Millions of U.S. jobs depend on America’s ability to trade with other countries. Half of all U.S. manufacturing jobs depend on exports, and one in three acres of American farmland is planted for international sales. But recent and proposed trade actions by the Trump administration threaten as many as 2.6 million American jobs and will stymie our economic resurgence.
Just wondering - Is the US Chamber of Commerce run by non-Americans thereby giving the three stooges an escape clause?
Is this a question to me "Moomin"?
Hehe:) Whatever.
I find this very strange.
Many Americans think that tariffs are bad for business.
Many Republicans think the same.
Even his economical advisors (those who don't get fired of course) think the same.
However Trump think otherwise...
There is a name for a president acting this way.
Hint. It's start with a D
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Message 1942965 - Posted: 7 Jul 2018, 0:28:09 UTC - in response to Message 1942945.  

No, one for Professor Dulleye to answer :-)
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Message 1942970 - Posted: 7 Jul 2018, 0:51:51 UTC - in response to Message 1942968.  

peanut gallery wrote:
Why is there a severe worker shortage inside the USA?

There is a severe shortage of qualified workers. 46% of companies cannot find the skills needed.
And some companies (GM is an example) because of shortages and increased cost of raw materials, investment on expansion inside the US is on hold.

Unfortunately, it was decided some years ago to abandon public education for all and only allow education for those whose parents were rich enough to pay tuition at private or charter schools. It was also decided to prohibit immigration of qualified workers.

The USA is now reaping the rewards of these decisions which will limit the ability of USA businesses to compete on the global market for decades to come.

How does this explain a severe shortage of Truck Drivers?

Simple really, US children aren't taught how to read and write, necessary to pass the commercial drivers license test.
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Message 1942984 - Posted: 7 Jul 2018, 1:20:05 UTC - in response to Message 1942968.  

How does this explain a severe shortage of Truck Drivers?
Many people don't like to be truck drivers with many odd hours and working holidays in solitude, carrying heavy load when loading and unloading, though salaries can be ok but not always.
But what have they to do with trade war?
More than transporting goods of course.
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Message 1943001 - Posted: 7 Jul 2018, 2:06:45 UTC - in response to Message 1942989.  

Another reason supporting my belief and the belief of most Americans. That those illegally present in our country now, execpting criminals, should be legalized.
"Illegal aliens" are everywhere.
Able and willing to work for much less then we are.
But are they included in the upcoming trade war?
Actually some are but that's another story.
Or perhaps another thread.
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