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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Really, 20 seconds ! What is the putative path, configuration and timeline to fusion power on the "Grid within 15 years". I would be thrilled to be mostly Nuclear by then. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Remarkable result but there is no value for the plasma density. The Lawson criterion states that the product of the plasma density, that is the number of ions in a volume unit, times the time of containment must be greater than a given value, which depends on the type of reaction (deuterium-tritium or deuterium-deuterium). No figure is given in the article. Tullio |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
"Nature" writes that the Joint European Torus at Culham, Oxfordshire, UK , still in action despite Brexit will try in June to start a Deuterium-Tritium reaction to get data for ITER in construction in France. The D-T reaction produces many more neutrons than a D-D reaction and therefore stresses the structure of the Tokamak and rends radioactive the first wall. Good luck! Tullio |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
An MIT spinoff company, Commonwealth Fusion Systems, is proposing to build a new Tokamak called SPARC, based on the previous researches on the Alcator-C tokamak designed by Bruno Coppi. It should be financed also by private investors, costing from 5 to 6 billion dollars and producing 50 MW of electric power. Tullio |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
I would like to see the design layout of this project. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I found the news in a Twitter blog, but since I don't have a Twitter account I cannot find it again. The firm is called Commonwealth Fusion Systems and the tokamak is called SPARC. Tullio |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Yes but I think that that is not the plant that will produce megawatts of power. SPARC may produce more energy than was put in. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
See this excellent recent talk: Putting the sun in a bottle: the path to delivering sustainable fusion power | The Royal Society Takes a short while to get going hence the introduction skip. We have a way to go but there is a huge impetus to get something going ASAP. All on our only one planet! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
It looks like that Jeff Bezos is going to finance a fusion device in Culham, Oxfordshire, which already hosts the Joint European Torus, a project sponsored by the European Community. But will it survive the Brexit? Tullio |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Brief details are given here: Bezos-backed startup to build nuclear fusion demonstration plant in UK Sounds like it is mechanical pulsed compression fusion rather than the 'Holy Grail' of continuous operation magnetic confinement. Still interesting and potentially something that can be quickly put together. Way to go?! Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
At Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Calfornia 192 laser beams focused on a deuterium-tritium pellet and produced a fusion reaction giving 1.3 million joules, about 70% of the energy necessary to the laser beams. This is a major result but we are still far away from any electricity production reaction. Tullio |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
ENI, the Italian state oil firm, has joined forces with Commonwealth Fusion Systems, an MIT spinoff, to build a Tokamak based on superconducting magnets reaching 20 Tesla. It should give its first plasma in 2025, same as ITER. The idea of using high magnetic fields goes back to Alcator, Alto Campo Torus, designed and built by Bruno Coppi at MIT. The technology of super conducting materials has greatly advanced since Alcator was built. Tullio |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
A 350 tons superconducting magnet has been lowered in the ITER pit at Cadarache. I think it is one of the poloidal magnets. Tullio |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
The Joint European Torus at Culham, UK, has produced 59 Megajoules of energy in a 5 second pulse, breaking its own record of 1997. It uses tritium as fuel. It is owned by UK but managed by an European consortium called Eurofusion. Tullio |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Thanks for that. And that 5 second pulse is a really big deal-maker: Major breakthrough on nuclear fusion energy wrote: ... The experiments produced 59 megajoules of energy over five seconds (11 megawatts of power). This is more than double what was achieved in similar tests [in that same chamber] back in 1997. Fantastic spectacular stuff! Side note: The carbon lining to tungsten and beryllium conversion was accomplished entirely by some very long snake-like robot hands. Note also that beryllium is toxic to humans... A dedicated beryllium contaminated area had to be set aside that became a no-go zone to humans. Here's hoping the totally unrelated current on-going politics do not get to spoil the show! Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34748 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34748 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34748 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Could scale of size be the problem? Most fusion experiments take place in giant doughnut-shaped reactors. Physicists want to test a smaller peanut-like one instead. For decades, if you asked a fusion scientist to picture a fusion reactor, they’d probably tell you about a tokamak. It’s a chamber about the size of a large room, shaped like a hollow doughnut. Physicists fill its insides with a not-so-tasty jam of superheated plasma. Then they surround it with magnets in the hopes of crushing atoms together to create energy, just as the sun does.Cheers. |
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