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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Are there instances, hopefully very, very, very few times. That to save thousands or millions of innocents...? My individual responsibility would be get the most information possible from him to prevent the detonation to happen. Yes. Even with Enhanced interrogation. A dedicated terrorist is not an ordinary criminal that could be protected by ordinary crime law. But that means you have to be certain without any doubt that he/she is a dedicated terrorist. Not like many detainee in Gitmo were many has not even been charged of any crime for a great number of years. Gitmo: The New Rules of War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitmo:_The_New_Rules_of_War And remember that the death of a terrorist is not the ultimate punishment. It's the opposite. So why was Saddam Hussein, Bin Ladin, Ghadaffi, maybe Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and others all killed? Better bunch them together like animals in a zoo for all to us to watch and study. With a sign "Don't feed the animals" |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
What would you do?Translation, would you do as you say and follow your rules, or are you no better than the terrorist you see to investigate? That about right? |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
But that means you have to be certain without any doubt that he/she is a dedicated terrorist. Actually I don't know how to behave in a situation like that. And I haven't been a police or a military officer. But my father was. A Commander in the Royal Swedish Navy in charge of the coastal mine defense of eastern Sweden, Östra Minsektionen. As you know Soviet Union liked to use submarines to check our defense capabilities and the most well known incident was "Whiskey on the Rocks" just outside a naval base in Karlskrona . That submarine had nuclear weapons aboard but was later towed away to Russia. (Oh. the aftermath of that incident of the Swedish "Komsomolet" is really funny when explained by the negotiators, Karl Andersson and Anatolij Michailovitj Gusjtjin, who met each other only a few years ago in a documentary. You don't start a negotiation without having a glass of vodka first thing 10 o'clock in the morning) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_S-363 Then Hårsfjärden close to Stockholm a year later also very close to a naval base, Musköbasen where my father was located. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_submarine_incidents There was indications that a foreign submarine was there. The waters around Hårsfjärden was guarded by "fences" and mines that would at will trigger explosions to sink subs. However in this case no one ordered to trigger them. Perhaps for the best. What if the Soviet sub was carrying nukes? Not likely because it was a minisub but you never know... Then how to behave according to law. Well. The Swedish law stipulate that citizens should report criminal activities. I think you even can be prosecuted if not doing so. However I don't think anyone have been prosecuted for not doing that. And if so the verdict is negligible. But the police say also to you should never engage unless you have the authority and the means to do it. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Although it may result in death. The Enhanced Interrogation method employed would be a crime. We don't have the "Grand Jury" system here in Sweden. The United States and Liberia are the only countries that retain grand juries,[2][3] though other common law jurisdictions formerly employed them, and most others now employ some other form of preliminary hearing. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Although it may result in death. The Enhanced Interrogation method employed would be a crime. The United States and Liberia are the only countries that retain grand juries,[2][3] though other common law jurisdictions formerly employed them, and most others now employ some other form of preliminary hearing. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
The United States and Liberia are the only countries that retain grand juries,[2][3] though other common law jurisdictions formerly employed them, and most others now employ some other form of preliminary hearing. Hehe:) May I approach the bench your honor? Alla har sett det i amerikanska filmer och tv-serier. Hur den förhärdade brottslingen lyckas förhandla sig till ett lindrigare straff eller inget straff alls genom att skvallra på någon ännu mer förhärdad brottsling, längre upp i näringskedjan. Det kallas för plea bargain. Translation Everyone has seen it in American movies and TV shows. How the hardened culprit succeeds in negotiating a lighter punishment or no punishment at all by rattling on an even more hardened criminal, further up the food chain. It's called plea bargain. You are excused. Heck. We Swedes knows a LOT more of the American legal procedures then of our own :) https://nvcourts.gov/AOC/Programs_and_Services/Court_Interpreter/For_Public/Common_Courtroom_Phrases/ Anyway you cannot plea bargain here either. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gary... Just a mature understanding that to save the lives of many, perhaps thousands of innocents. The principles of ethics, morality and law may not be compatible.So sorry to intrude on your justifications for being a terrorist. Follow your path and it is the path of criminals. Able to justify any vile act. You are what you despise. No different than a cop who plants evidence on a person he is absolutely is convinced is guilty. I think you might know something about that. I quote only the pithy part because it is the ethos of the thought and also because there is no need to scroll people's screens with useless repetition as some posters who post the same post over and over do. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Anyway you cannot plea bargain here either. Of course not! Plea bargain is not justice. Just crazy. Lets say Anders Breivik who killed more than 60 young people at Utöja in Oslo but that he had an partner that hasn't been caught and the risk is that he will do it again is very high. Ok. Anders state he killed "only" 25 and his partner killed more than 40. Do you really accept that Anders could walk away with a plea bargain because his partner killed 25 more young people than him in order to catch the partner? |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Should we worry? The range of the nuclear weapon-capable missle Iskander-M is limited to less than 500 kilometers, according to the INF agreement. However, the missile's construction makes a range of 1,500 to 2,000 km possible in the future, according to FOI. The missiles are both ballistic and cruise missiles, which complicates the situation. The so called Intermediate-Range nuclear missiles has now become Intracontinental nuclear missiles. "Doesn't threaten anyone" Russian Kremlin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov says in a comment to Tass news agency that the country has sovereign rights to place weapons on its territory and that the country never threatens anyone. New nuclear policy The United States has recently presented its new nuclear policy, which includes new tactical nuclear weapons with less charges and better accuracy. Russia, China and Iran have fiercely criticized the United States for the new policy. - The term "deterrence" has lost it's meaning completely and converted into an actual threat of use. However, the "smart" nuclear weapons produced as less dangerous are about as powerful as the bombs used against Japan in 1945, which tells a lot about the fatal global consequences it would have to use them. What is apparent nowadays is the trend that more and more states are deploying weapons capable of wearing nuclear warheads. Both Russia and the United States have signaled that they do not rule out the use of nuclear weapons and may imagine what has been completely unthinkable for a long time. |
M5WJF Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 147 Credit: 6,484,657 RAC: 6 |
Of course you do. Funnily enough that happens in the UK https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/man-spotted-riding-horse-through-13218812 |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Is Putin’s new nuclear systems source of mysterious radioactivity in the air? If it is true that Russia have tested its new nuclear-powered missiles, some radioactive releases could occur, says Norwegian nuclear safety expert. https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/ecology/2018/03/putins-new-nuclear-systems-source-mysterious-radioactivity-air |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34754 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Is Putin’s new nuclear systems source of mysterious radioactivity in the air? That may explain those mysterious radioactivity readings that some thought to be a certain Russian power plant leak. ;-) Cheers. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Here we don't like Russia/Soviet nuclear leakages. And definitely not Kremlin's and Putin's denials when it happens! When the Chernobyl reactor 4 blow up it was detected in Forsmark Sweden and reported to the public in one or two days after the accident. http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=4468603 In Russia it was denied for 12 days. Even the Russia public was not informed about it! |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
OMG! "Hesa Fredrik" is sounding right now. Important message to the public, VMA, (popularly known as Hesa Fredrik), is the warning and information system, which consists of outdoor alarms and radio and television messages. The signal can be defined geographically to the area in which the danger exists. The signal can be used to warn of emergency situations such as war, serious fires, gas emissions, acute threats to water supply, and more. Usually the alarm devices are used in both war and peace. In addition to the warning message, a precautionary information message may also be issued. [1] Thank God. Now "Hesa Fredrik" signals danger over. It was only the testing of VMA that we have here a couple of times per year always on a Monday at 15:00:) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
What Happened to the Nuclear Test Sites? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMo7jUs0GMs There have been many people cleaning up the mess from some of the fallout areas and many of them have suffered from radiation diseases. However the government doesn't compensate them because they where not at the site when the nukes was tested! |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Deputy Director General and head of nuclear inspections of the UN International Atomic Energy Agency, IAEA, Finnish Tero Varjaranta, resigns. The departure takes place with immediate effect and without any explanation given. It also happens three days after the US decided to abandon the nuclear agreement with Iran, despite the fact that the IAEA repeatedly stated that Iran follows it. It was announced as late as Wednesday, the day after the US President Donald Trump's message. Tero Varjaranta will until now be replaced by the head of the IAEA Iran office, Massimo Aparo. https://theiranproject.com/blog/tag/massimo-aparo-senior-inspector-of-the-international-atomic-energy-agency-iaea/ |
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