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![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 ![]() |
Also get that cover screwed back in place. Having it sag is putting stress on the breakers where they plug into your load center. Good eye J. Mileski. ... ![]() |
J. Mileski ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jun 02 Posts: 632 Credit: 172,116,532 RAC: 572 ![]() ![]() |
There appears to be a bar connecting the two "blue" breakers" on the right - is this the case, or is it an optical illusion? It is not an illusion ![]() BR type quad breaker |
kittyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51515 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 ![]() ![]() |
I doubt you will be able to get a new cover. They are usually not sold separately. However, you should be able to get 'blank' covers to fill any spots no longer occupied by a circuit breaker. Meow. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ![]() |
![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 31065 Credit: 57,275,487 RAC: 157 ![]() ![]() |
Home depot has one exactly like yours, including the main breaker for $71. But you don't need it. Just get the filler plates to cover the extra holes. A 3 pack is $3.98 and the screws #10-32 x 3/4 in. Phillips-Slotted Pan-Head Machine Screws $1.18 for a 4 pack. ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 ![]() |
In the UK on older houses we use the incoming gas or water pipes as earthing points Sounds a little dangerous to connect a ground wire to a gas pipe. ![]() |
kittyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51515 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 ![]() ![]() |
When I upgraded my main service box from the original 100A to a 200A, I drove in 3 8-foot ground rods for the best earth ground I could get. Standard practice is also to connect a ground to the water main. And then the earth ground is bonded to the neutral bus bars in the service box as well. So in practice, the outlets have both a grounded neutral and the safety earth ground connection on the ground pin. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ![]() |
rob smith ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22704 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 ![]() ![]() |
It was - and has been banned for new, or revised, installations for a good number of years. The situation is being made "different" with the increasing use of plastic pipes for water & gas supply. As one can imagine it's great "fun" when they decide to replace damaged pipes - I'm just waiting for them to replace my front drive & garage floor after that was dug up to replace my neighbour's gas feed pipe after his builder managed to put the back-hoe spade onto the pipe. (I was out of the country at the time so didn't have to evacuate, but do have to put up with the mess until they find the right shaped Tuit - apparently round ones are in short supply) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
In the UK on older houses we use the incoming gas or water pipes as earthing points Indeed. It's also illegal. http://www.ecmweb.com/code-basics/gas-pipe-grounding-legal |
W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19520 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 ![]() ![]() |
To put an earth spike into the ground so close to a wall is not a good idea. On the "wrong side" of the building it can be very dry. |
kittyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51515 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 ![]() ![]() |
To put an earth spike into the ground so close to a wall is not a good idea. On the "wrong side" of the building it can be very dry. Mine were driven in about 10 feet out from the foundation, about 3 feet apart. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 ![]() |
The earthing arrangements in the USA really confuse me! In the UK on older houses we use the incoming gas or water pipes as earthing points, the more modern houses and flats with plastic services use a separate earth spike. Earthing (UK) and grounding (US) are the same thing. The only return UK have is through the moist earth/dirt/soil. In US we have a neutral hard wire that is connected to earth/dirt/soil and back to the distribution system's common neutral/ground. Earth/dirt/soil/grounded/bonding/neutral are all at the same potential because of the hard wire inter connection. The US is hard wired to system neutral/ground. UK relies on a good galvanic response from moist earth/dirt/soil for the return. US prefers wire, UK uses moist earth/dirt/soil. It took three ground rods to get a good ground at Kittyman's. Multiple layers of safety. If system neutral opens there is still a return path through moist dirt and vise verse earthing fails there is still a hard wire return. Some areas of US only need one rod (my wet Washington State), other require several (dry climate). Lifting a UK un-bond wire off a gas line can cause an electrical spark/arc/electrocution, why UK has warning signs on ground bondings. The US doesn't have or need warnings on bonding wires. Electrical distribution systems in the US are mostly a three/four (single phase/three phase) wire Open/Closed Wye circuit, where UK uses two/three (single phase/three phase) wire Open/Closed Delta circuit . The US depends on a hard wire for return where UK depends on moist earth/dirt for return. As a forty year electrical worker (IBEW 483, working batteries to 500KV hot) I prefer hard wire over moist dirt galvanic responses any day. I remember the phone system from the 60s in UK. Same principle, UK moist dirt/earth for return vs. US's hard wire return. ... ![]() |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Here we have the electrician proverb. Unless we earth, the priest will earth you. or perhaps Unless we ground, the priest will ground you. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 ![]() |
OT: Caliche In Eastern Washington we had to use drills and dynamite to make holes for power poles in that stuff. Only thing harder is rock. Har... ... ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 ![]() |
When we had our new kitchen installed the electrician firstly looked at our old fuse box which was a ceramic re-wirable one from the 1950's Yep, this house had that type of box, too. I remember thinking it was fun when I was a kid to go downstairs in the basement and unscrew a bad fuse and put a new one in. My mother had things updated to a breaker box in '97. ![]() |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
When we had our new kitchen installed the electrician firstly looked at our old fuse box which was a ceramic re-wirable one from the 1950's We still have those fuses... ![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 ![]() |
When we had our new kitchen installed the electrician firstly looked at our old fuse box which was a ceramic re-wirable one from the 1950's Ours were not like those. Ours were flatter, and were ceramic of some sort, with thick glass on top. ![]() |
kittyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51515 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 ![]() ![]() |
When we had our new kitchen installed the electrician firstly looked at our old fuse box which was a ceramic re-wirable one from the 1950's In the US, those were edison base screw in fuses. As opposed to the ceramic 'milk bottle' type in europe. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ![]() |
kittyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51515 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 ![]() ![]() |
At least I don't have knob and tube wiring, and I hope no one else does anymore. When I did electrical work with a licensed master electrician, we did both new and remodel work. We had at least 2 remodel jobs while I was working for him that we found knob and tube wiring in the attic. And it was LIVE!!! Talk about scary stuff. Most of the insulation was gone or just hanging from the wires. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 ![]() |
When we had our new kitchen installed the electrician firstly looked at our old fuse box which was a ceramic re-wirable one from the 1950's Thanks, Mark. I figured you would know! :~) ![]() |
moomin ![]() Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 ![]() |
When we had our new kitchen installed the electrician firstly looked at our old fuse box which was a ceramic re-wirable one from the 1950's You speak in past tense. Here we live in the past. And the fuses are here still ceramic. The glass is on the top of the holder that you screw into the breaker box . When a fuse breaks the colored tip on the fuse falls down so you can see what fuse to change. If it works why fix it:) |
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