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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31080 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So true.I could have respond with some anti Irish attack. Which many in our country believe.Which you funded for many years :-) |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Seems a bit of trouble reading and understanding. I think Sirius thought the words "Irish attack" meant the IRA. So responded with the fact that a lot of the IRA attacks were funded by IRA supporters in the USA. However I think Clyde meant he could retaliate with an "Irish attack" on Sirius. Or of course none of the above. Lets try not "attacking" anyone please |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24921 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I saw it as the IRA. Nothing else. This thread is about Terrorism & as seen over the past 50 years, that, regardless of nation, has been funded. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31080 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I saw it as the IRA. Nothing else. As I did. How else would you view an international forum? I do know that some people in some areas of the USA had a extreme racist issue with Irish immigrants, but that speaks about themselves, not terrorism in an international context. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24921 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
That is the same for most nations as evidenced by their histories. The difference is that many in those nations rose above that, unfortunately... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24921 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Lets try not "attacking" anyone please I'm quoting the whole post as it's a good one. What is even better is you highlighted what many experienced people are aware of. Just because people make observations, they should not be construed as a personal attack or an attack on a nation. From the PoV of the thread, you "unwittingly" funded terrorists & that is not an attack on you either as a person or a police officer. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31080 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I dropped $10 into the basket.https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339C |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24921 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
you "unwittingly" funded terrorists... I put that word in quotes as a polite courtesy, since you do not accept the good grace of my post, back to subject. 2 police officers funding terrorists. WTF? |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Can I ask BOTH sides in these exchanges to READ and understand the posts before commenting. Or are you, as I suspect, purposely misunderstanding each other. I have seen no really constructive discussions in these threads recently. It is just a case of one side trying to "get one over" on the other and if I was not a moderator I would have given up reading most of what is posted here, as many others have. Too many people have said to me, that they never visit politics as it is not a nice place, I know some have left SET@Home completely over what has been said here. So I would like to see constructive discussion, is that possible, no name calling, no references to peoples past. The moderators are only human and not always able to be here 24/7. However we are trying to make the politics forum a better place to come to. So please try and keep things reasonable or more posts will disappear, and this applies to all. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31080 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
They must have had some s**t scary baskets in those days. Yes, I was wondering how two armed police officers allowed themselves to be victims of a strong arm alms man. You might have to think the place had some really fine cop perks and they wanted to visit again and again. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
[mod hat off] From what I understand an Irish pub in New York at the height of the IRA campaigns was very likely to be a place that this would happen. Unfortunately the original poster did not make it clear if they were in uniform, I took it that they were not, so starting trouble when surrounded may not have been a good move. The OP did however say that he and his friend reported this incident, but not in a very strong way, saying: "This incident was reported." The written word is used differently by different people, I find I often have to read a post a couple of time before I get what the poster is saying. [/mod hat off] So lets all try and read post at least twice before reacting. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24921 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
You know London so will know how factual this comment is. There were many such pubs (bars) like that in London. Many located in Kilburn, Dollis Hill & Neasden. Often after finishing an early or mid duty shift, several of us (all Irish) would pop in to some of them for a quick pint or two before heading home. We often saw those plates doing the rounds. All the time at Neasden Depot, never saw any "donate". The OP did state that his colleague had to vouch for him which suggested that the patrons were aware of who & what his colleague was. Therefore there would have been no "pressure" on him to "donate" Just like us in London, there was no pressure. One did or did not. Most of the licensees in the area did not want trouble or lose custom (Neasden depot Met Line & several large Royal Mail Sorting offices in their areas). Can't answer for the States, but here in the UK, one can be certain that many of those pubs had customers whose only loyalty was to the Metropolitan Police & the same can be assumed within other cities here. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Yes but the OP also stated "As they approached, my friend told me "I better" contribute. " If I was in that situation I would have listened to my friend. Of course, other may have reacted differently |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24921 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Fair point, but whatever happened to standing up & walking out? Plenty of other bars in NYC one could get a drink. Now's let's look closer at your comment & that poster's. Can we safely assume that his friend donated the same amount? That's $20. About that time what was the cost of ammunition? $1 per round equates to 20 rounds bought. Did any of those rounds take out a squaddie? So taking all your points so far, let's look at this one... ...police officers contributed to.... ...isn't it the job of all police officers to serve & protect & not be an accessory after the fact to murder? |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Surely there are times when discretion is the better part of valour. Yes he could have got up a walked out rater than contribute, and possibly become a marked individual. He may have been a policeman and yes he could have tried to arrest the person asking for donations, good luck with that !! The OP stated twice that both him and his friend reported the incident. I might agree with you if he had not stated that. Personally I believe you are just picking holes in what I think is a totally believable and honest description of the incident. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Does the IRA do any terror attacks anymore? I don't think so. But DAESH, داعش ... Since the romanization of Arabic is typically based on pronunciation rather than spelling, some confusion may arise from several letters of the English acronym not matching any initial letters of the Arabic transliteration. If this bothers you, feel free to pretend it stands for Dumb A**hole Extremist Shi'a Haters instead. Uncle Muhammad Wants You. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24921 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Personally I believe you are just picking holes in what I think is a totally believable and honest description of the incident.In that case you thinking is in error. Believable & honest? His friend knew what type of bar that was, yet... ...No human being is perfect, but a normal citizen expects those that serve as police officers to be honest as best that can be expected. So it now appears that one cop was caught up in a situation he saw no way out of, but the other... By your believing I'm picking holes, it appears to me, that you cannot see the forest for the trees. Don't forget also, that around that time NYPD had a terrible reputation for corruption. Not saying Clyde was but his posting of the incident regarding his colleague raises questions. Questions it now appears to others as "nit-picking". |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Hmm Irish policemen in the US... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Americans#Police |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24921 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I mentioned already that some patrons in our pubs were not who others thought they were. Believing that there is no way that American Law Enforcement Agencies would not operate something similar on their own shores, so had to check for myself. "However, a fresh plot emerged in July 1992, following Thatcher’s departure from 10 Downing Street and in advance of a speaking trip to the US. A tipoff arrived from a trusted FBI asset based in Boston, who was apparently working undercover in American-based IRA circles and had learned of the plot in a New York bar identified as a “hotbed†of IRA activity. The investigation was taken very seriously. Dozens of pages of files were created, and the mole inquiry was launched. Two known IRA operatives thought to have been behind past attacks in the UK and said to have fled California for New York, were identified as the prime suspects " hmm.... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31080 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
https://apnews.com/deba8411c8984fd086d7a84c51dc86fa/Death-toll-from-blast-in-Somalia's-capital-rises-to-231 MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) — The death toll from the most powerful bomb blast witnessed in Somalia’s capital rose to 231 with more than 275 injured, making it the deadliest single attack ever in this Horn of Africa nation, a senator said Sunday. |
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