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Message 1917874 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 14:44:35 UTC - in response to Message 1917866.  

I don't know. Perhaps a suitable short to medium term solution might be to return 'drug' regulation to the States where it belongs (imo), and each State decide for itself whether or not to allow Marijuana use. The pot-heads could then move to a State that allows it, and the anti-pot-heads move to a State that does not. Problem solved. Everyone is happy.
They will only be happy when the Feds pay to relocate them and make sure they have a job when they get there.

I can actually see how this ends up a commerce clause and not a Tenth case. The fertilizer, grow lamp of something else used to grow the weed will have crossed state borders and the Feds will regulate. Commerce clause and our transport crazy society has nullified almost all of the Tenth.
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Message 1917878 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 14:57:14 UTC - in response to Message 1917875.  

people who are fit to comment on the subject are aware of the language

others feel they must have the last word or simply the matter enough for a wingnut to think they might understand
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Message 1917886 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 16:18:25 UTC

Is what we have been instructed to stop.


Suggested, not "instructed".
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Message 1917910 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 20:24:57 UTC - in response to Message 1917866.  
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This is a classic case of "State's Rights". I find it extremely funny that a lot of the same people who are opposed to "State's Rights" in all/almost all other cases are very pro "State's Rights" when it comes to 'weed'.


That would be because this is a situation where the states are permitting something that that the federal government is restricting, rather than vice versa, and in some cases contrary to the 14th amendment. As someone in favour of more liberty, this should be a given.

Also, though many call marijuana 'safe', why then is it listed in the 'list' under California's Prop. 65 as 'causes cancer'?

https://oehha.ca.gov/proposition-65/chemicals/marijuana-smoke

From a Libertarian standpoint, I have no issues with someone consuming something that causes cancer... As long as it only affects THEM.
But, in this case there is a lot of evidence that '2nd-hand' marijuana smoke also elevates cancer rates...
So, what to do?


We already have a perfect model for this in existing legislation: tobacco, which is far stronger of a carcinogen (marijuana is also commonly vaped these days as well, which has not been demonstrated to have any second-hand cancer risks, and made into edibles which have zero by definition.) So smoking of marijuana should be permissible wherever smoking of tobacco is permitted ie in private residences, in open public areas where others are not being directly exposed, etc.
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Message 1917943 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 23:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 1917926.  

I believe the above problem is particular to the USA.
Nope, but you know so little about the EU, just as you routinely accuse people from other countries about knowing so little about the USA. Case in point a OTC cold medication bought in Germany, very illegal in France - no border station.
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Message 1917948 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 23:16:19 UTC - in response to Message 1917947.  

Understand the difference?
You don't understand the EU, nor it seems do you want to.
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Message 1917950 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 23:22:48 UTC

Yawn.
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Message 1917969 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 1:14:48 UTC - in response to Message 1917949.  

The entire thought which you usually omit:
Omitted because you fail to understand the EU and are now demonstrating that you wish to remain intentionally ignorant.
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Message 1917970 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 1:20:29 UTC - in response to Message 1917951.  

Yawn.

Since this is apparently within The Rules. They control these discussions.

What a shame.

What is wrong with commenting on the quality of a post?
Oh, I get it your posts are above criticism.
This must be an attack to be reported to Gordon because I used "Oh".
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Message 1917988 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 3:17:49 UTC

Yawn.
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Message 1918020 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 6:13:11 UTC - in response to Message 1917978.  

Gary... You posted that Germany and France are the same as two different States in the USA.
No, that's the strawman you want to argue**. I did compare a citizen of the EU, who carries an EU passport for visiting other countries such as the USA crossing the paint stripe border from the now not sovereign France into the now not sovereign Germany, just as the States of the USA are not sovereign anymore. Perhaps you need to understand that word "sovereign."* Ask yourself about Brexit if they were sovereign. Ask yourself why Sirius has to decide if he wants to keep his EU passport or have a UK one. Also you should learn about the EU. It is very akin to the USA between Independence and the adoption of the current Constitution.


*Sovereign noun: a supreme ruler
adjective: 1 possessing supreme or ultimate power
2 acting or done independently and without outside interference


**You want to make your argument like passing the border between the City of San Francisco and the County of San Francisco.
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Message 1918057 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 14:37:46 UTC
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Sorry Mr. Kevvy. A simple response regarding different marijuana laws among our States started this.


Started what?

These are discussion forums so discussions often head in different directions, and perhaps you don't like the idea of the EU being compared to the USA but that is what the EU is trying to be, separate states not separate countries.

One of the big things that I believe helped the Brexit vote was the fact that so may of our laws (UK) came from Brussels.

Marijuana is I believe legal( to a degree) in Amsterdam, and apparently Spain is moving towards trying to legalise it. Wonder what will happen then to EU citizens travelling across countries?
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Message 1918080 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 16:45:22 UTC - in response to Message 1918060.  

IE: " **You want to make your argument like passing the border between the City of San Francisco and the County of San Francisco."

Selected on purpose as a very good belly laugh, which you have just provided everyone.
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Message 1918086 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 17:21:54 UTC - in response to Message 1918083.  

As Bernie Vine posted:
The belly laugh gets repeated and amplified.
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Message 1918093 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 17:46:02 UTC - in response to Message 1918091.  

As Bernie Vine posted:
The belly laugh gets repeated and amplified.

Marijuana is I believe legal( to a degree) in Amsterdam, and apparently Spain is moving towards trying to legalise it. Wonder what will happen then to EU citizens travelling across countries?

Why are you laughing at Bernie's post?


I don't actually think he means me, and even if he did I wouldn't get too upset as others seem to. Life is too short to worry about what someone posts on an online forum.
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Message 1918101 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 19:52:31 UTC
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Bernie Vine... As it relates to this Subject. I was wondering if you could answer the following question, which I have previously stated I have no true knowledge:

In the UK, when travelling between different 'regions'. Are there some activities that are considered serious crimes (felonies) in one region and not criminal, or just results in a 'ticket' in another, as it is in the USA?


Sorry no, I have no interest in playing your word games, I have better things to do on a Saturday night.
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Message 1918114 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 20:58:13 UTC - in response to Message 1918093.  

As Bernie Vine posted:
The belly laugh gets repeated and amplified.

Marijuana is I believe legal( to a degree) in Amsterdam, and apparently Spain is moving towards trying to legalise it. Wonder what will happen then to EU citizens travelling across countries?

Why are you laughing at Bernie's post?


I don't actually think he means me, and even if he did I wouldn't get too upset as others seem to. Life is too short to worry about what someone posts on an online forum.

Or course I'm not laughing at you Bernie. I'm laughing at the gullibility of Clyde. I defy Clyde to cross the border between the City of San Francisco and the County of San Francisco. Absolutely a riot. Just like his word games.

BTW can we get playing word games added to the items on the left, or does that fall under "No messages intended to annoy or antagonize other people,"
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Message 1918126 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 21:25:51 UTC

Yawn.
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Message 1918160 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 23:55:46 UTC - in response to Message 1918130.  

Oh, you're doing a good job by yourself.
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Message 1918162 - Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 0:01:50 UTC

Yep.
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