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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Our obese leader with small hands doesn't think so, but his mission is to not have people look at the man behind the curtain.We truly have bigger things to worry about in this great country of ours. Much, much bigger things. I hear he was told "Go jump in the Gulf of Mexico"? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30661 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I hear he was told "Go jump in the Gulf of Mexico"?Watch out for the tsunami! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Our obese leader with small hands doesn't think so, but his mission is to not have people look at the man behind the curtain. Another important factoid is that he is orange. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Our obese leader with small hands doesn't think so, but his mission is to not have people look at the man behind the curtain. Trump is like the father of the dysfunctional family, promising much and ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS disappointing his children. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30661 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
They say they are there to serve the people, but if you watch what they actually do when they get in office, all their decisions are based on self-serving needs.Translation, they do what the voters who put them there want so they get re-elected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
They say they are there to serve the people, but if you watch what they actually do when they get in office, all their decisions are based on self-serving needs. Donors needs. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19072 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams is releasing publicly available voter information including full name, address, party affiliation and date the person registered, phone number, gender identity, birth year and voting history. If you are so keen to have your data made public then why don't you publish your full name, address, party affiliation and date the person registered, phone number, gender identity, birth year and voting history, here. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams is releasing publicly available voter information including full name, address, party affiliation and date the person registered, phone number, gender identity, birth year and voting history. In most States, including Colorado, that info is publicly available... on a website... to ANYONE... But doing this will be rather, forgive the phrase, taxing on the States' computer systems. Most of these States that I have looked into have offered to copy the parts of the Voter database that are publicly available and send it to the Commission, for (of course) the fee set by State law, just like they would do for anyone requesting it. ?Highest fee I have seen was US$27,000.00 for that entire State's voter list. Note that this is ONLY the publicly available data. Some of the requested data can not be released, by law. In Texas this is handled by the County governments (remember, there are 254 different Counties in the State of Texas). Here is the page for Harris County, Texas (includes the city of Houston). https://www.hctax.net/Voter/Search note the note on that search page:
But wait, there is more: Sec. 13.004. RECORDING AND DISCLOSURE OF CERTAIN INFORMATION BY REGISTRAR. (a) The registrar may not transcribe, copy, or otherwise record a telephone number furnished on a registration application. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/EL/htm/EL.13.htm Notice subsection (c) and (c-1) that I have underlined. This information in (c), per (c-1) can NOT be disclosed, by Texas State LAW. Oh, and that law has not been amended in over 4 years (last change took effect June 14th, 2013). Beginning to get the picture? Ok, I must disagree with many, both here and elsewhere. Voter Fraud IS a serious problem. Alas, it does not have a nice solution. Let me go through the list again... 1. Status Quo. Do nothing. This is the most likely result, given that BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans engage in it with seemingly reckless abandon. You just rarely hear about it, since it is the best interests of the Democrat and the Republican Parties (though sadly NOT The People's) for the light of truth to be shown on that particular cesspool of US Politics. 2. The Federal government can try to Federalize the system, and take it away from the State governments. Four words to the Feds from the States... See you in court. The Federal Constitution does not really give the Federal Government much say in voter registration. It leaves that power to the several State Governments. The Court battle would take YEARS. State Government A.G.s sue the Federal Government in Federal district court... then after that, it would go to the Court of Appeals... Bounce around a bit back and forth... Then it would be off to the US Supreme Court... Maybe several times through the process... Trump's successor could be leaving office by the time that schizz finishes. 3. Go for a Constitutional Amendment. This won't happen. The State Governments (or at least a super-majority of them, 3/4 if I remember correctly) must approve the Amendment, and this Amendment would diminish State power and authority, so they will likely disapprove it, especially in light of at least 44 of the States blowing raspberries at the Kobach Commission. Even vice-chairman Kobach of that commission has publicly stated that he, in his capacity as Secretary of State of Kansas, could not release all the information. 4. About the ONLY way to get all of the information released would be a grass-roots campaign in ALL 50 States to modify their own laws, and on Congress to change THEIR laws, to allow this level of information sharing. Good luck getting this through in a timely fashion. How long did it take, for instance, Women's suffrage to get put into the US Constitution? Well, lets see... Mary Wollstonecraft's "A Vindication of the Rights of Woman" (it kinda started the ball rolling) was published in 1792... The 19th Amendment to the US Constitution was ratified in 1920. 128 years, start to finish. Now this would not take THAT long to happen, but my best guess would be 15 to 20 years, if ever. And I say 'if ever' since by then Trumpus Minimus would be long out of office, and likely passed away, and I doubt the 'movement' could maintain a good head of steam after that, so you have til 2020, maybe 2024 to 'do something'. George Washington wrote: The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19072 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
You say Voter Fraud IS a serious problembut every time I look at this problem, I cannot find it. And President Trump Says Voter Fraud Is a Huge Problem. A Top Republican Election Official Disagrees So please show us where it is a serious problem. I am not saying that there are some problems, mainly in the area of the voter data not being kept up to date. So that a lot of people are registered in more than one place and people are not being removed from the lists because of death or they have committed a crime and no longer eligible. But that is not proof of Voter Fraud or if you say it is, then read my previous and start at the top, with some of Trumps clan. And it is reported that in the places where they have purged the lists, it is said they have removed many eligible voters for every ineligible one. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
There're dozens of things here in the U.S. you can't do unless you show an ID card. You don't need an "ID card" in the UK to do anything, but you need to show "YOUR PAPERS" for many things. If it's *ism/*ist/*ic/*phobic for voting, why isn't it *ism/*ist/*ic/*phobic for all those other things? I'll tell you why... because voter fraud favors one political party over the other here in the U.S. and that political party has control of the media. Amen. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
In Canada, we have a federal elections commission Elections Canada. It is run by all federal parties jointly to ensure it remains uncorrupted and non-partisan. Voting is done by registered, tracked, tamper-resistant paper ballots with serial numbers to prevent ballot stuffing, fraud, etc. No voting machines are permitted as they are "black boxes" which have been demonstrated in U.S. elections can be hacked and lose votes (sometimes in the thousands) with no notification. When the votes are counted the count is watched over and verified by a representative from each party. The completed tally is signed off by those representatives to show it was accurate. Thus we have very few issues/allegations of voter fraud, tampering, etc. Even India, the world's largest democracy with about a billion voters, uses hand-counted paper ballots. It takes only three hours to tally the entire lot. I also agree in contentious federal elections like the U.S. one that ID should be a requirement. If one needs to present ID to buy a beer then I don't see how voting should be exempt. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
You sayVoter Fraud IS a serious problembut every time I look at this problem, I cannot find it. And President Trump Says Voter Fraud Is a Huge Problem. A Top Republican Election Official Disagrees Voter Fraud not a serious problem? ROFLMAO Proof: Three rather infamous cases between WWII and the present: https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30661 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
If one needs to present ID to buy a beer then I don't see how voting should be exempt.I've never been asked to show ID to buy a beer. Last time I was asked to officially show my ID was when I was renewing it. I remember back when I got the ID. I showed up with a birth certificate. They issued the ID to the name on the certificate. Could have been any name on it at all, they had no way of telling. And back then you didn't even have to give them a SSN. This crap about needing ID to do all these things is BS. You don't need ID. You say who you are and where you live. Done. BTW, showing ID won't even slow down the only voter fraud that can be caught, voting in two places in the same election. ID would match the roll of registered voters in both places. DUH! |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Define "voting history". Elections voted in? Or votes cast in those elections? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30661 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Define "voting history". Didn't know any place in the USA kept track of who you voted for in each contest. Must be one of those commie red counties. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34831 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
In Canada, we have a federal elections commission Elections Canada. It is run by all federal parties jointly to ensure it remains uncorrupted and non-partisan. Voting is done by registered, tracked, tamper-resistant paper ballots with serial numbers to prevent ballot stuffing, fraud, etc. No voting machines are permitted as they are "black boxes" which have been demonstrated in U.S. elections can be hacked and lose votes (sometimes in the thousands) with no notification. When the votes are counted the count is watched over and verified by a representative from each party. The completed tally is signed off by those representatives to show it was accurate. Thus we have very few issues/allegations of voter fraud, tampering, etc. The same paper system is also used over here Mr. Kevvy. ;-) Cheers. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Define "voting history". Is there any chance there's a district somewhere in the US that has kept track? Since 2006? If not, then they're just looking for when we've voted? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
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