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Message 1875915 - Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 16:17:27 UTC

The Netherlands will soon make a decision to set up an international tribunal into the crash of the MH17 passenger liner downed over Ukraine's Donbas in the summer of 2014, Rtlnieuws.nl reports.
https://www.unian.info/world/2004354-mh17-intl-tribunal-may-be-set-up-in-netherlands.html
As always Russia will deny Russian involvement in the atrocity and stall the legal procedures so they will not participate in the tribunal.
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Message 1876576 - Posted: 3 Jul 2017, 8:56:08 UTC
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Two Colonels of Ukrainian intelligence agencies was killed in Ukraine -
http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/prezident-poproshavsya-iz-zagiblimi-ukrayinskimi-geroyami-ro-42126
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Message 1876587 - Posted: 3 Jul 2017, 12:10:17 UTC - in response to Message 1876576.  

Two Colonels of Ukrainian intelligence agencies was killed in Ukraine -
http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/prezident-poproshavsya-iz-zagiblimi-ukrayinskimi-geroyami-ro-42126

Yes.
Was the perpetrators pro-Ukraine or pro-Russia?
No need to answer.
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Message 1876945 - Posted: 5 Jul 2017, 19:25:19 UTC

Live flight tracker: most of air-companies prefer to fly around borders of Ukraine: https://www.flightradar24.com/49.81,36.66/5
It's very informative. :-)
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Message 1876957 - Posted: 5 Jul 2017, 20:12:26 UTC - in response to Message 1876945.  

Live flight tracker: most of air-companies prefer to fly around borders of Ukraine: https://www.flightradar24.com/49.81,36.66/5
It's very informative. :-)

Of course.
Who wants to fly over territories in Eastern Ukraine and being shot down by Russian BUK's ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOwzw1FE2nI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNx0-6bUbI
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Message 1877051 - Posted: 6 Jul 2017, 3:46:36 UTC - in response to Message 1876945.  
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Live flight tracker: most of air-companies prefer to fly around borders of Ukraine: https://www.flightradar24.com/49.81,36.66/5
It's very informative. :-)

Also, it's noticeable that many international flights via the territory of Russia passes very close to Eastern Ukraine, but the territory of Central and Western Ukraine which is very far from Eastern Ukraine, is almost free of flights too.
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Message 1877056 - Posted: 6 Jul 2017, 4:12:41 UTC - in response to Message 1877051.  

Np one wants to fly over a war zone, duh? Who is supplying the missiles? Surely not Great Britain or Spain.
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Message 1877060 - Posted: 6 Jul 2017, 4:30:53 UTC - in response to Message 1877051.  
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Live flight tracker: most of air-companies prefer to fly around borders of Ukraine: https://www.flightradar24.com/49.81,36.66/5
It's very informative. :-)

Also, it's noticeable that many international flights via the territory of Russia passes very close to Eastern Ukraine, but the territory of Central and Western Ukraine which is very far from Eastern Ukraine, is almost free of flights too.

LOL:)
Look at Northern Scandinavia.
Almost free of flights as well.
Now in Finland they actually have former Russian BUK's.
Perhaps that's why there are no Russian flights over Finland right now.

https://corporalfrisk.com/tag/buk/
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Message 1877061 - Posted: 6 Jul 2017, 4:40:49 UTC - in response to Message 1877056.  

Np one wants to fly over a war zone, duh? Who is supplying the missiles? Surely not Great Britain or Spain.

Actually there have been discussions about why Ukraine let so many international flights fly over Eastern Ukraine in a war situation.
There where many other planes flying over there the same day MH17 was shot down.
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Message 1880257 - Posted: 25 Jul 2017, 10:40:34 UTC
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Message 1880363 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 10:55:43 UTC - in response to Message 1880288.  

Ukrainian specialists of aviation and rockets industry now work for China - https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvpk-news.ru%2Farticles%2F38005&edit-text=

China and Russia are not, and have never been, friends.

Are you sure?
On June 29, the Chinese Defense Ministry confirmed that China and Russia has signed a roadmap on military cooperation for 2017-2020.
http://thediplomat.com/2017/06/china-and-russia-sign-military-cooperation-roadmap/
Chinese President Xi Jinping said bilateral relations “are now the best ever” during his visit in Russia.
http://thediplomat.com/2017/07/russia-china-relations-reach-a-new-high/

An example of Ukrainian aviation.
An-225 Mriya has visited Sweden, Arlanda airport twice, 2010 and 2012.
The aircraft is capable of transporting the Russian spaceshuttle Buran.
Well, Buran was cancelled many years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya#/media/File:Antonov_An-225.jpg
Nice colors:)
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Message 1880368 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 11:14:50 UTC - in response to Message 1880288.  
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China and Russia are not, and have never been, friends.

I don't understand your point. Firstly, that's not correct, for example China was close ally and friend of USSR in 1950th years.
Secondly, that information was not about Russia but about Ukrainian specialists who help modernize the Chinese military.
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Message 1880379 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 12:23:10 UTC - in response to Message 1880368.  
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...Ukrainian specialists who help modernize the Chinese military.


My guess is that China are very interested of IT Services from Ukraine.
Not so much of Sunflower products.

Oh. Wrong pic...
I meant this.

Ops. Wrong again.
Sigh. Here it is.
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Message 1880431 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 17:08:47 UTC - in response to Message 1880386.  

China has always believed that Russia is illegally occupying Siberian China.
Just one reference: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/07/03/where-do-borders-need-to-be-redrawn/why-china-will-reclaim-siberia
A belief of an Occupying Power inside your Country...
Will, because of the increasing Military and Economic Might of China. Make for an interesting future.

Hmm. Russia "occupied" Siberia in the 17th century.
Maybe China want to reclaim territories from that time just as Putin want to reclaim old territories in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Siberia
While the Russians continue to migrate from the Siberian and Far Eastern Federal Districts to Western Russia, the Siberian cities attract labour (legal or illegal) from the Central Asian republics and from China. While the natives are aware of the situation, in Western Russia myths about thousands and millions of Chinese living in the Transbaikalia and the Far East are widespread.
According to the 2002 Census, merely 34,500 residents of Russia (both Russian and foreign citizens) self-identified as ethnic Chinese, and about half of them lived in Western Russia (mostly Moscow). The census reported 30,600 Chinese citizens residing in Russia. In the opinion of some experts, this may be an undercount: e.g., Zhanna Zayonchkovskaya, the chief of the Population Migration Laboratory of the National Economic Forecasting Institute of Russian Academy of Sciences, estimated the total number of Chinese present in Russia at any given point (as resident or visitors) at about 400,000 persons, much smaller than ill-educated guess of 2 million given by Izvestiya.

But maybe "Beijing could use Russia's own strategy: hand out passports to sympathizers in contested areas, then move in militarily to "protect its citizens." "

As Finns say to Russians in the sauna. "Close the door when you leave. It starts getting luke warm in here".
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Message 1882015 - Posted: 4 Aug 2017, 9:57:38 UTC
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STRANA.UA - The belligerents in the Donbass have established a constant contact through the front line, congratulate each other on their birthday, and agree on local armistices.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fstrana.ua%2Farticles%2Fistorii%2F85001--allo-dnr-eto-vsu-kak-slyshno-priem.html&edit-text=[/url]
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Message 1882057 - Posted: 4 Aug 2017, 14:47:37 UTC - in response to Message 1882044.  

When is Russia going to leave Occupied Siberia?

Sorry, I know about some of ex-Mexican territories that now is a part of USA, but I don't know about "Occupied Siberia". Aborigines of Siberia live everywhere in Siberia, not in reservation, unlike USA. The phrase about "Occupied Siberia" has sense no more than the "Occupied USA" or "Occupied Canada".
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Message 1882074 - Posted: 4 Aug 2017, 15:59:02 UTC - in response to Message 1882057.  

When is Russia going to leave Occupied Siberia?

Sorry, I know about some of ex-Mexican territories that now is a part of USA, but I don't know about "Occupied Siberia". Aborigines of Siberia live everywhere in Siberia, not in reservation, unlike USA. The phrase about "Occupied Siberia" has sense no more than the "Occupied USA" or "Occupied Canada".


Well, about 1/3 of the 'lower 48' land area of the USA used to be part of Mexico. The USA got most of this territory (except Texas) from Mexico as part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo of 1848 to end the 'U.S.-Mexican War' (1846-1848). Something about Mexico wanting the occupying US Army out of their capital.

The part in white on this map.



IMO, Siberia is part of Russia just as the Southwest is part of the USA.

Native Americans... Yes, SOME live on Reservations, many don't.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1882081 - Posted: 4 Aug 2017, 16:47:28 UTC - in response to Message 1882044.  

STRANA.UA - The belligerents in the Donbass have established a constant contact through the front line, congratulate each other on their birthday, and agree on local armistices.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fstrana.ua%2Farticles%2Fistorii%2F85001--allo-dnr-eto-vsu-kak-slyshno-priem.html&edit-text=[/url]

When is Russia going to leave Occupied Siberia?

Russia has only moved to Siberia because there was plenty of room there at the time and lots of natural resources.
For all I know the indigenous people there has not complained and most likely it is a win/win situation.
Very much like Sweden's "occupation" of Finland and Estonia many years ago:)

Oh. Another reason:)
By 2080 Siberia to become 'the go-to place to live due to climate change'.
http://siberiantimes.com/science/opinion/features/by-2080-siberia-to-become-the-go-to-place-to-live-due-to-climate-change/
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Message 1882094 - Posted: 4 Aug 2017, 17:34:08 UTC - in response to Message 1882080.  

I was referencing from China's point of view.

A big part of Kazakhstan (and all territory of Mongolia) also is present in some China books and maps as the "temporarily lost territories". So, when the Kazakhstan going to leave occupied territories?
Also, China never defined on the historical maps all territory of Siberia and Russian Far East as ex-Chinese territories, only for a some south part. And China not declare similar pretensions officially at present.
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Message 1882102 - Posted: 4 Aug 2017, 18:05:44 UTC - in response to Message 1882080.  


MajorKong...

I was referencing from China's point of view.

Which is different from Russia's.

BTW: Thank you for understanding, and noting the difference between the Treaty of..., and Mexico's Texas Province, among others, revolt.

Most Non Texas Americans incorrectly believe the Texas Revolt was a Pro American, Inclusion into the USA. It was not!


Clyde,

Hmm...

The 'Texas Revolt'... ROFL

It was a bit more widespread.



https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Political_divisions_of_Mexico_1836-1845_(location_map_scheme).svg

Republic of Texas
Republic of the Rio Grande
Republic of Yucatan
etc...
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

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