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Message 1970568 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 0:21:47 UTC
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Igor.
I have discussed with an other russian fellow, Vadim, on this very forum and also in the PM, about Swedish/Russian relationships.
He is from Samara at the Volga river.
He didn't say anything about that I am wrong about anything.
In the contrary we noticed we have a lot of common.
Like talking about Swedish gymnastic walls in schools. Hehe:)
However you say that I don't know nothing about Russia.
It doesn't make sense Igor!
Which make me think. Have you ever been to the Europian Russia?
Like Moscow or St Petersburg?
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Message 1970593 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 3:08:09 UTC
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Also, Russian Wikipedia page about Ukha contain many information and everybody can read it in translation and find something about Don -
http://www.translate.ru/site/General/ru-en/?url=https%3a%2f%2fru.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2f%D0%A3%D1%85%D0%B0

P.S. An allegory. The person from Panama, which does not speak English, or the WASP from Canada, who of them knows US better?
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Message 1970606 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 5:42:11 UTC - in response to Message 1970593.  

P.S. An allegory. The person from Panama, which does not speak English, or the WASP from Canada, who of them knows US better?

Don't assume the Panamanian doesn't speak English, and don't assume the WASP does.
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Message 1970644 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 9:48:57 UTC - in response to Message 1970606.  
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Gary, of course, you can prefer fantasies from the pseudo-expert, because pseudo-information in fantasies corresponds to mentality more, than the uncomfortable truth.
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Message 1970653 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 10:38:45 UTC
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Also, Russian Wikipedia page about Ukha contain many information and everybody can read it in translation and find something about Don -
http://www.translate.ru/site/General/ru-en/?url=https%3a%2f%2fru.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2f%D0%A3%D1%85%D0%B0

Russian Wiki doesn't mention the origin of Uhka at all.
However Boris knows how to make Ukha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3yOOc47n9E&list=PLbS0HkS8Xsorrdr3pPk4lP80tUAzfyxP1&index=26&t=0s
Sidedish as vodka and semechki is optional.

Hehe. Uhka is eaten in every country where there are fish.
https://dividingmytime.typepad.com/my-blog/2011/05/ukha-russias-oldest-soup.html
Catch a fish in a crystal clear lake or river.
Throw it into a kettle of the crystal clear water and boil until the eyes pop out. That’s how you know it’s done.
Consume immediately. And that’s it.

Even in Ukraine they eat Uhka like the Zaporizhian Cossacks and Karl XII:)
https://ukrainefood.info/recipes/soups/38-ukha
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Message 1970679 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 15:31:47 UTC
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Another fantasy from the pseudo-expert Moomin Troll:)
It is a common belief that borsjtj (борщ very hard to pronounce and spell to us non Slavs) traditionally comes from Russia, but borsjtj's origin is usually traced to Ukraine and is very common in Eastern Europe .
Russia. Eat your heart out!
The fact that certain 19th-century Russian and Polish cookbooks, such as Handbook of the Experienced Russian Housewife (1842) by Yekaterina Avdeyeva[110][111] and The Lithuanian Cook (1854) by Wincenta Zawadzka,[112] refer to beetroot-based borscht as "Little Russian borscht"[w] (where "Little Russian" is a term used at the time for ethnic Ukrainians under imperial Russian rule) suggests that this innovation took place in what is now Ukraine,[2] whose soils and climate are particularly well suited to beet cultivation. Ukrainian legends, probably of 19th-century origin, attribute the invention of beetroot borscht either to Zaporozhian Cossacks, serving in the Polish army, on their way to break the siege of Vienna in 1683, or to Don Cossacks, serving in the Russian army, while laying siege to Azov in 1695.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borscht#Origin

Is Herring under a fur coat, known as shuba or seledka pod shuboi (Селёдка под шубой), also Russian?
Of course not:) It's a common dish in the countries surrounding the Baltic Sea.
Here it's called Smörgåstårta.


And to get back to the topic.
Is the Azov Sea Ukrainian or Russian?
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Message 1970680 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 15:34:46 UTC - in response to Message 1970644.  

Gary, of course, you can prefer fantasies from the pseudo-expert, because pseudo-information in fantasies corresponds to mentality more, than the uncomfortable truth.

Igor, don't assume. The world is not binary. Because I point out your fallacies does not mean I support another persons fallacies.

Igor doesn't want to hear that many Panamanians speak English because Igor has a box in his mind labeled Panamanian and that box doesn't include English speakers.
Igor doesn't want to hear that many Canadians speak French - it is an official language of Canada - because Igor has a box in his mind labeled Canadian and that box doesn't include French speakers.
Igor also has a box in his mind labeled Russian, and all Russians fit in that box. Just like his box labeled American.

If you are going to use an example, make sure it is correct.
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Message 1970683 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 15:57:58 UTC - in response to Message 1970680.  
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Igor want all Ukrainians to speak Russian.
Blin! After all Ukrainian is considered by Russians as a "peasant" language!
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Russian-language-and-Ukrainian-language-actually-the-same
Then we have “Surzhyk” to complicate it further...
And some parts of Ukraine have lended much of their vocabular from German, Polish, and Hungarian...

Oh. Russia and Ukraine doesn't share the same alphabet.
Which make me think of Kazakhstan that will change their Cyrillic alphabet to a modified Latin one:)
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-43126818
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Message 1970698 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 18:43:38 UTC - in response to Message 1970680.  
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Gary, what a fallacies you mean? No my fallacies I see. If you don't understand analogies, if you understand it literally, it's your problem, not my. :-)
Please do not distorted sense of my phrase by attributing a generalizing sense to it. I wrote about two persons. Once again - it was very clear phrase about the two persons, not about "any person", not about all population.
If you didn't understand analogies, I will try to simplify for you.
One person don't speak language of discussed state, other person grew up in the cultural and educational sphere of discussed state and speak that language as native. One person lives by two borders away from discussed state, other person lives in state close to discussed state, has roots and many relatives in discussed state and many times visited discussed state. Who will better know situation in discussed state, history, cuisine, etc?

P.S. BTW, please don't teach me that the 2+2=4, i.e about the Francophones in Canada, etc. I know it more 40 years already.
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Message 1970699 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 19:12:41 UTC - in response to Message 1970698.  

Igor. Do you really know the difference between an allegory and an analogy?
You wrote "P.S. An allegory. The person from Panama, which does not speak English, or the WASP from Canada, who of them knows US better?"
That's not an allegory. It's an analogy!
Analogies are meant to been interpreted literally.
Allegories are not meant to been interpreted literally.

Btw. What is "the WASP" from Canada?
I know what a wasp is but the acronym WASP?
W.A.S.P. perhaps... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsoLb-E7oy8
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Message 1970703 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 19:39:23 UTC
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Moomin never recognize own mistakes. No, never. Moreover, now he directly misinform - "Igor want all Ukrainians to speak Russian". A silly lies.
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Message 1970704 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 19:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 1970703.  

Moomin Trolls never lies:)
We have only opinions.
Your post about children in Mariupol have been "forced to dig trenches for soldiers" however is disgusting!
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/children-in-mariupol-forced-to-dig-trenches/
https://www.stopfake.org/fejk-detej-vygnali-ryt-okopy-v-mariupole/
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Message 1970705 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 20:01:58 UTC - in response to Message 1970704.  
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Your post about children in Mariupol have been "forced to dig trenches for soldiers" however is disgusting!

One more rough misinformation from moomin. Really my post was: "Ukrainian children dig entrenchments and trenches for the Ukrainian army, near Mariupol".
No words about forcing.
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Message 1970706 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 20:07:08 UTC

I see proof that Putin's brainwashing propaganda really works on some. ;-)
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Message 1970708 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 20:10:26 UTC - in response to Message 1970705.  
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Your post about children in Mariupol have been "forced to dig trenches for soldiers" however is disgusting!

One more rough misinformation from moomin. Really my post was: "Ukrainian children dig entrenchments and trenches for the Ukrainian army, near Mariupol".
No words about forcing.
No you didn't.
The narrator of this video did that you linked to!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G2AMohmLlc
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80977&postid=1967492#1967492
I hope you understand this!
"В одном из реабилитационных центров Мариуполя сегодня отменили занятия, а воспитанников выгнали копать окопы"
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Message 1970713 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 20:40:06 UTC - in response to Message 1970708.  
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The narrator of this video did that you linked to!

Really? LOL.
Moomin can't understand narrator of this video, of course. :-) But it is original video from the Ukrainian TV channel with their own original Ukrainian narrator. And there is no words about forcing in words of narrator. If you mean text below, text of person who posted that video, that's another matter, but I didn't post translation in this forum.
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Message 1970714 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 20:47:16 UTC - in response to Message 1970713.  
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The narrator of this video did that you linked to!

Really? LOL.
Moomin can't understand narrator of this video, of course. :-) But it is original video from the Ukrainian TV channel with their own original Ukrainian narrator. And there is no words about forcing in words of narrator. If you mean text below, text of person who posted that video, that's another matter, but I didn't post translation in this forum.
Sigh...
So you didn't read this?
https://www.stopfake.org/fejk-detej-vygnali-ryt-okopy-v-mariupole/
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“In Mariupol, children were kicked out of digging trenches,” this is a new storyline of Russian propaganda during the events of the Russian aggression against Ukraine in the Sea of ​​Azov.
Life.ru , Russia 1 , Arguments and Facts , ren.tv , Glance - an incomplete list of Kremlin propaganda media that spread the story that allegedly in Ukraine began to strengthen the position "for protection from the Russian landing force", having expelled the construction of children’s trenches orphans.
Perhaps "having expelled the construction of children’s trenches orphans" should be translated to "having forced children that are orphans for the construction of trenches".

However the real story is this.
The video and photos from this action clearly show that no one forced children to dig trenches: children play, make a fire, stand on patrol, share their thoughts about what is happening with journalists. Thus, the children just wanted to express their support to the military - there was no need to dig new trenches or deepen the old ones.
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Message 1970717 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 21:05:57 UTC - in response to Message 1970698.  

Gary, what a fallacies you mean? No my fallacies I see. If you don't understand analogies, if you understand it literally, it's your problem, not my. :-)
Please do not distorted sense of my phrase by attributing a generalizing sense to it. I wrote about two persons. Once again - it was very clear phrase about the two persons, not about "any person", not about all population.
If you didn't understand analogies, I will try to simplify for you.
One person don't speak language of discussed state, other person grew up in the cultural and educational sphere of discussed state and speak that language as native. One person lives by two borders away from discussed state, other person lives in state close to discussed state, has roots and many relatives in discussed state and many times visited discussed state. Who will better know situation in discussed state, history, cuisine, etc?

P.S. BTW, please don't teach me that the 2+2=4, i.e about the Francophones in Canada, etc. I know it more 40 years already.

Igor that isn't an allegory, that is a red herring, perhaps one of the many shades of how to write English that doesn't have an equivalent in Russian being how you express the difference between a specific unnamed individual and any random person.

BTW it was in my lifetime when the USA withdrew from a 10 mile wide strip that bisected Panama. Also we had a Senator and recent candidate for President that was born there, one of the requirements for that office is to be born on US soil. That country might not be the best choice for your example. Also Honduras and El Salvador are the countries two borders away. Many of the people in any of those 3 countries, Spanish is not their first language, a native tongue is their first. Same applies to northern Canada.

Finally it is obvious to everyone that moomin is fishing.
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Message 1970722 - Posted: 16 Dec 2018, 21:29:14 UTC - in response to Message 1970717.  

Finally it is obvious to everyone that moomin is fishing.
LOL:)
Yes I am. It's funny that we here in Sweden actually have two name for herring.
Those that swim in the Atlantic Ocean are called "Sill".
And those that swim in the Baltic Sea are called "Strömming".
We don't have any name for red herring though (Are there any one?)
Maybe they are lurking around St Petersburg and Kaliningrad:)
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Message 1970754 - Posted: 17 Dec 2018, 4:32:14 UTC - in response to Message 1970717.  
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Igor that isn't an allegory, that is a red herring, perhaps one of the many shades of how to write English that doesn't have an equivalent in Russian being how you express the difference between a specific unnamed individual and any random person.

An articles "а/an" and "the" in English language. A/an - if we mention any of items. "The" - if we mention specific item(s).
I used "the".
So I think you understood sense but just decided to carp, because of the subjective reasons.
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