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Message 1801963 - Posted: 10 Jul 2016, 17:14:19 UTC

Vice Magazine has posted an article about the potential closure of the Arecibo observatory.
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Message 1801966 - Posted: 10 Jul 2016, 17:33:46 UTC - in response to Message 1801963.  

Vice Magazine has posted an article about the potential closure of the Arecibo observatory.

Good article. Hope it brings the issue the attention that it deserves and some additional funding sources. Maybe there's another Yuri out there somewhere.
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Message 1802001 - Posted: 10 Jul 2016, 21:33:59 UTC

"Losing two thirds of the volume of the galaxy we can search" is pretty bad.

Is there any hope of cobbling together other radio telescopes to make up the difference if Arecibo does go off the air?
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Message 1802002 - Posted: 10 Jul 2016, 21:51:09 UTC - in response to Message 1802001.  

"Losing two thirds of the volume of the galaxy we can search" is pretty bad.

Is there any hope of cobbling together other radio telescopes to make up the difference if Arecibo does go off the air?



I think the answer to my question is in the other Arecibo thread. (Basically it's complicated and more expensive to operate with Arecibo's loss)
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Message 1802275 - Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 0:43:17 UTC - in response to Message 1801963.  

I think, should increase research investment, rather than the military input.

Not to close the observatory, but to increase more, we know too little about the universe

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Message 1802281 - Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 1:24:44 UTC - in response to Message 1802275.  

As long as China is aggressive in the South China Sea US military spending will not decrease. Your country spends more, my country spends more and in both cases takes money from more worthwhile projects including science. I say what a waste.
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Message 1802286 - Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 2:36:32 UTC - in response to Message 1802281.  

As long as China is aggressive in the South China Sea US military spending will not decrease. Your country spends more, my country spends more and in both cases takes money from more worthwhile projects including science. I say what a waste.


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Message 1802312 - Posted: 13 Jul 2016, 6:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 1802286.  

As long as China is aggressive in the South China Sea US military spending will not decrease. Your country spends more, my country spends more and in both cases takes money from more worthwhile projects including science. I say what a waste.


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Now case is:
U.S. aircraft carrier ran to the South China Sea, rather than the Chinese fleet to the west coast of the United states.

Think of the name of the South China Sea, why there is "China" in the inside, rather than Philippines.
Find some of history books and read about this area,You will know about the South China Sea from ancient to modern times.

For example:
A Man come from another city, take a gun, cross-border inter city road, come to this city ,wandering on the road,near the neighbor's home.

Do you think it is necessary for a neighbor to pick up a gun and prepare for self defense?

an empty hand or holding an goods, the neighbor still need to have a gun in self-defense? if do this ,the neighbor must be crazy!!!

if you is this neighbor what can you do?
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Message 1803173 - Posted: 17 Jul 2016, 20:06:16 UTC - in response to Message 1801963.  

Regarding keeping the Arecibo Observatory funded, is there any crowdfunding setup to donate money for the radio telescope directly? Maybe we don't need one wealthy individual to help do this (although it wouldn't hurt), but thousands of citizens around the world to provide the funding. Very similar to BOINC projects except it is cash instead of cache that we would be donating to continue looking for signals from ET. I would love to be part of keeping the telescope going and I'm sure there are thousands like me around the world.
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Message 1803374 - Posted: 19 Jul 2016, 0:43:43 UTC - in response to Message 1803173.  

Regarding keeping the Arecibo Observatory funded, is there any crowdfunding setup to donate money for the radio telescope directly? Maybe we don't need one wealthy individual to help do this (although it wouldn't hurt), but thousands of citizens around the world to provide the funding. Very similar to BOINC projects except it is cash instead of cache that we would be donating to continue looking for signals from ET. I would love to be part of keeping the telescope going and I'm sure there are thousands like me around the world.


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Message 1804039 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 0:51:08 UTC - in response to Message 1802002.  

"IF" we ever establish communications with other Xeno-Civilizations, wouldn't be to our interest to identify them further away, than in orbit around our planet?

I can't understand the "less expensive" argument to the contrary,
In a mathematical sense, it seems we need as much forewarning as necessary.
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Message 1804040 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 0:53:57 UTC - in response to Message 1802275.  

A Successful identification of a Xeno-Civilization will automatically lead to additional Military spending. Nature of the beast.
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Message 1804043 - Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 0:57:47 UTC - in response to Message 1803173.  

I believe we are talking about Federal Funding of the Telescope. Once that ends we can discuss individual funding of the infrastructure and the people manning it.
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Message 1804414 - Posted: 23 Jul 2016, 6:13:47 UTC - in response to Message 1804043.  
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No. The telescope is a US Government property. Once funding for operations is cut-off, the telescope will be dismantled and the site restored to forest. There will be NO telescope or workers to operate it.

I believe we are talking about Federal Funding of the Telescope. Once that ends we can discuss individual funding of the infrastructure and the people manning it.

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Message 1804424 - Posted: 23 Jul 2016, 8:59:26 UTC

Arecibo is the only planetary radar besides Goldstone capable of tracking Near Earth Objects potentially dangerous to Earth. Since NASA has the task of counting and monitoring NEOs I think NASA should maintain Arecibo in operation, maybe with a reduced program and budget.
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Message 1804671 - Posted: 24 Jul 2016, 15:26:57 UTC - in response to Message 1804424.  

Arecibo is the only planetary radar besides Goldstone capable of tracking Near Earth Objects potentially dangerous to Earth. Since NASA has the task of counting and monitoring NEOs I think NASA should maintain Arecibo in operation, maybe with a reduced program and budget.
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As I understand the program, the search for NEOs involves both optical and active radar searches. Not a good match for collecting data useful to Seti@Home or other such projects.

In the current US federal budget environment, I don't see such a transfer happening. I think Arecibo will either continue under current management with current budget levels, or it will be deemed obsolete and shut down/dismantled.
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Message 1806433 - Posted: 1 Aug 2016, 18:57:14 UTC - in response to Message 1802286.  

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Message 1806448 - Posted: 1 Aug 2016, 20:10:32 UTC
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What is the latest on the Square Kilometer Array? It seems to me that is much more suitable for SETI work anyway. Promising star system can be targeted at much longer range, and more suitable frequencies can be used, I think. But I don't know where it is in funding, or whether they would share data with SETI anyway.

I am not impressed by randomly scanning the sky and hoping something falls into our laps however. The distances are too great and the power levels too small for intelligent signals as compared to gas clouds, exploding stars, quasars, etc., etc.
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Message 1806846 - Posted: 3 Aug 2016, 18:50:01 UTC - in response to Message 1806448.  
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The MeerKAT array in South Africa, which will be part of SKA has received its "first light". But I doubt it will be used for SETI.
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Message 1808735 - Posted: 12 Aug 2016, 17:03:06 UTC

The Murchison Wide Field Array in Australia will be used by the SETI Institute to search for ETI, but at a lower frequency than Arecibo and Green Bank, that is from 103 to 133 MHz. Its observing field covers many of the planets discovered by Kepler.
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