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Message 1782068 - Posted: 24 Apr 2016, 16:04:09 UTC - in response to Message 1782064.  
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You seem to forget that the US started with almost a blank sheet of paper, with one currency, and even then decided to use Common Law.

The EU tried to start where each county had its own Laws and Rules in place for many years, some of them dating back 100's of years or longer.

What the EU has done wrong, in my opinion, was to introduce the Euro, before all countries were working to the same financial standards.

And that EU consists of countries with MANY languages, laws, traditions and cultures.
Now for Euro. Without same taxation in the different countries it's ridicoulus to use a common currency.

Speaking of old laws.
Most countries in Europe has laws dating back at least 800 years ago and are still valid.
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Message 1782131 - Posted: 24 Apr 2016, 18:55:55 UTC - in response to Message 1782064.  

You seem to forget that the US started with almost a blank sheet of paper, with one currency, and even then decided to use Common Law.

The EU tried to start where each county had its own Laws and Rules in place for many years, some of them dating back 100's of years or longer.

What the EU has done wrong, in my opinion, was to introduce the Euro, before all countries were working to the same financial standards.

It wasn't until civil war times the US had one currency.

I'm sure the Presidents of the 13 Colonies would disagree about there being one set of rules. Took the civil war to sort out one disagreement that was swept under the rug. Much of the rest was sorted out because there was a common enemy and "the enemy of your enemy is your friend." That may be the reason the USA was a success. Necessity.

What appears wrong with the EU is what was wrong with the Articles of Confederation. No Europe Government. No hard and fast set of rules every sub-level of government must adhere to and not merely a set of suggestions.

As to different tax rates, the US has that today. That is why Texas, Nevada and Delaware show up in the Panama Papers.

As to languages and cultures, the Canadians seem able to run a country with more than one language/culture. The US didn't do a good job after The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo or Tratado de Guadalupe Hidalgo. But this was before the civil war got the notion of legal slavery out of everyone's orbit.

There is a lot of history lesson there if you wish to learn it, so you don't repeat it.
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Message 1782224 - Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 2:51:48 UTC

Can't you tell Texas change your Tax laws or no money from federal coffers shorly the Fed could do something . Texas needs to be careful there tax free may just back fire when the investment goes as other states and governments clamp down not saying people will go to jail just people will pull there money out because they getting fine , tariff's and stuff on them elsewhere
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Message 1782232 - Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 3:19:35 UTC

Taxes are the price of civilization, and most people would rather not pay taxes.. Rather a paradox it is.
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Message 1782248 - Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 4:08:36 UTC - in response to Message 1782224.  
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Can't you tell Texas change your Tax laws or no money from federal coffers shorly the Fed could do something . Texas needs to be careful there tax free may just back fire when the investment goes as other states and governments clamp down not saying people will go to jail just people will pull there money out because they getting fine , tariff's and stuff on them elsewhere

The federal government can not tell Texas or any other state how to run its government. If Texas funds its government off sales tax and not income tax that is the Texas way. If California has the highest state income tax of the 50, that is the California way. If Alaska has a negative income tax rate, that is the Alaska way!

All of you need to remember the USA is a grouping of independent states. It says it right in its name. Think the EU but with a strong Brussels, strong enough to tax Germans and Britons to pay for Greece's misdeeds.
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Message 1782330 - Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 11:01:01 UTC - in response to Message 1782248.  

All of you need to remember the USA is a grouping of independent states. It says it right in its name. Think the EU but with a strong Brussels, strong enough to tax Germans and Britons to pay for Greece's misdeeds.

& there lies the crux of the problem!
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Message 1782346 - Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 12:16:06 UTC

When the biggest powerhouse in Europe start demonstrating, something must be out of kilter...

Germans say "Nein"

...meanwhile the bimbo in the White House knowing only 9 months left starts lining his back pocket.
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Message 1782365 - Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 13:54:56 UTC - in response to Message 1782330.  

All of you need to remember the USA is a grouping of independent states. It says it right in its name. Think the EU but with a strong Brussels, strong enough to tax Germans and Britons to pay for Greece's misdeeds.

& there lies the crux of the problem!

Union you stand, divided Trump buys you.
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Message 1782493 - Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 23:05:56 UTC - in response to Message 1782486.  

Surprising to see that from a teacher! That will never be the solution as there will always be those who want to be the "Top Dogs".
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Message 1782500 - Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 23:18:45 UTC - in response to Message 1782498.  

It's not the individual who needs to learn those lessons but those that govern. If you "really" did study & teach History, you would know that!
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Message 1782504 - Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 23:26:56 UTC

People seem to get the government they deserve.....


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Message 1782518 - Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 0:56:49 UTC - in response to Message 1782505.  

Again. Why give Centralized Power to anyone or entity?

Someone who claims to be a former police officer arguing for anarchy?
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Message 1782636 - Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 9:54:25 UTC

Why give Centralized Power to anyone or entity?

For at least one reason. The larger the region under centralised power the less chance of conflict.
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Message 1782641 - Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 10:12:19 UTC - in response to Message 1782505.  


You really believe Bad and Evil. Can be stopped from taking Power, from the Good and Ethical?


<grin>

Dark Helmet: So, Lone Star, now you see that Evil will always triumph... because Good is DUMB! (Spaceballs (1987) - Mel Brooks)


To successfully fight Evil, Good must understand evil and its methods, essentially THINK like Evil...

Something that most Good people have a VERY hard time doing.
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Message 1782643 - Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 10:16:47 UTC - in response to Message 1782636.  

Why give Centralized Power to anyone or entity?

For at least one reason. The larger the region under centralised power the less chance of conflict.



There will ALWAYS be conflict, especially conflict over WHO HAS the 'power'.

Having a decentralized power structure limits the damage that an evil person can do when they invariably succeed in attaining a position of power.
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Message 1782647 - Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 10:40:01 UTC - in response to Message 1782224.  

Can't you tell Texas change your Tax laws or no money from federal coffers shorly the Fed could do something . Texas needs to be careful there tax free may just back fire when the investment goes as other states and governments clamp down not saying people will go to jail just people will pull there money out because they getting fine , tariff's and stuff on them elsewhere


Glenn,
I think that you may be misunderstanding something. In the USA, ALL levels of Government tax.

Texas can't do much about Federal Taxes, but State-level Taxes in Texas the Texas State Government can certainly set.

Texas may not have a State Income Tax... but we all still responsible for paying Federal Income Tax...

Clearer?

Oh, and just where do you think the money in the 'Federal Coffers' comes from? Either the Federal Government just (figuratively speaking) 'prints' it to cover its deficit spending, or it taxes the People (almost all of which live in one of the 50 States - D.C. and PR being two exceptions that come to mind).

If the Federal Government started withholding various Federal spending program's payments to Texas residents... Well, surely you must know that the 'American Revolution' (1775-1783) started in LARGE part due to unfair taxation.

Personally, I don't think that the corrupt sunny-beaches in Washington D.C. are crazy enough to go down that road... yet... but likely that day will come.
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Message 1782657 - Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 12:00:44 UTC - in response to Message 1782643.  

Why give Centralized Power to anyone or entity?

For at least one reason. The larger the region under centralised power the less chance of conflict.



There will ALWAYS be conflict, especially conflict over WHO HAS the 'power'.

Having a decentralized power structure limits the damage that an evil person can do when they invariably succeed in attaining a position of power.

I think you misunderstood. It could be argued that the European Union has reduced the possibility of conflict between it's members. Conflict has been a European problem, probably, since the last ice age.
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Message 1782690 - Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 15:32:43 UTC

Why do the posts that need a long answer always happen just before the outrage?
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Message 1782698 - Posted: 26 Apr 2016, 22:13:56 UTC - in response to Message 1782690.  

Why do the posts that need a long answer always happen just before the outrage?

So that you have longer to think about them.
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Message 1782810 - Posted: 27 Apr 2016, 3:43:49 UTC - in response to Message 1782657.  

Why give Centralized Power to anyone or entity?

For at least one reason. The larger the region under centralised power the less chance of conflict.



There will ALWAYS be conflict, especially conflict over WHO HAS the 'power'.

Having a decentralized power structure limits the damage that an evil person can do when they invariably succeed in attaining a position of power.

I think you misunderstood. It could be argued that the European Union has reduced the possibility of conflict between it's members. Conflict has been a European problem, probably, since the last ice age.


If you really and truly believe that... oy...

If you really believe that, then doubtlessly you believe that Britain should have immediately surrendered to Hitler. Britain was what held Hitler back from conquering the world.

No, the price of centralized power is too high, given the likelihood that some evil sunny-beach would be the one holding it.
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