Solid hydrogen, that's below 14 degree's K.

what was it just messing wid ya saying

So a Hydrogen economy would increase H2O vapour output by a factor (17.1/8.3)=2.06
We already have a Hydrogen/Carbon economy based on fossil-fuels.
The Carbon in coal, or any hydrocarbon, would not burn but for the Hydrogen bound to the Carbon

What happens when you burnt ???

And isn't it like other things, such as paraffin wax the solid, that go through two phase changes before they burn, as in a candle. It's the paraffin gas that burns and produces the light and heat

Co2 is turned into O2 by plants and trees and the oceans and we have a last resort plan to reverse it , you don't with Hydrogen

The problem is not now but 150 years from now if we going big from now on .

As a stop measure it's or on a limited scale a maybe otherwise no better than battery's . Home battery's are also a game changer .

Only real problem with solar or wind is storage when it's not needed but can be generated . Home batteries can help there and community storage.

We are already building such areas

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Home battery's are also a game changer .

Only real problem with solar or wind is storage when it's not needed but can be generated . Home batteries can help there and community storage.

The problem with batteries, even Li-Ion, is even when the circuit is designed correctly, not charged or discharged too rapidly or discharged to deeply, is they loose capacity fairly quickly. At best they will loose 30% capacity over 1,000 cycles. So even charging and discharging once/day (charge in day, discharge at night, Solar system) they need replacing ever 3 years. For other types of supply wind which is erratic, therefore charge/discharge should be recorded, or tidal which would be two cycles/day the situation is worse.

For large scale storage using Li-Ion batteries they would need to follow the rules for charging. Charge each cell individually, and monitor, if unattended then auto switch out of suspect cells and connect spare in it's place. Use constant current at first, then check all cells are balanced, then final constant voltage charge.

Disconnect battery before discharge is too deep.

We still need big game changer before batteries are the answer to the storage problem.

Home battery's are also a game changer .

Only real problem with solar or wind is storage when it's not needed but can be generated . Home batteries can help there and community storage.



The problem with batteries, even Li-Ion, is even when the circuit is designed correctly, not charged or discharged too rapidly or discharged to deeply, is they loose capacity fairly quickly. At best they will loose 30% capacity over 1,000 cycles. So even charging and discharging once/day (charge in day, discharge at night, Solar system) they need replacing ever 3 years. For other types of supply wind which is erratic, therefore charge/discharge should be recorded, or tidal which would be two cycles/day the situation is worse.

For large scale storage using Li-Ion batteries they would need to follow the rules for charging. Charge each cell individually, and monitor, if unattended then auto switch out of suspect cells and connect spare in it's place. Use constant current at first, then check all cells are balanced, then final constant voltage charge.

Disconnect battery before discharge is too deep.

Take note 10 yr warranty . And we have better consumer law protection than America

You do have to keep up with tech these days


https://www.teslamotors.com/en_AU/powerwall

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Has any one actually had one 10 years yet?

I notice 1,000 to 1,500 cycles. 1,500 / 365 = just over 4 years.

Has any one actually had one 10 years yet?

I notice 1,000 to 1,500 cycles. 1,500 / 365 = just over 4 years.

yes but you don't run them all the way down to empty .

If batteries are charged correctly they will last 10 years.

Most people only need them between about 5pm and 12pm max .wind does not sleep and solar does not need total sunlight to generate power just daylight

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Has any one actually had one 10 years yet?

I notice 1,000 to 1,500 cycles. 1,500 / 365 = just over 4 years.

yes but you don't run them all the way down to empty .

If batteries are charged correctly they will last 10 years.

Most people only need them between about 5pm and 12pm max .wind does not sleep and solar does not need total sunlight to generate power just daylight

You obviously believe in fairies and goblins then.

My laptop, which is just 4 years old, has only charged the battery to 80% and puts up warning at 20% and to sleep at 16%. Isn't used every day and guess what needs new battery because its capacity has fallen too much.

Has any one actually had one 10 years yet?

I notice 1,000 to 1,500 cycles. 1,500 / 365 = just over 4 years.



yes but you don't run them all the way down to empty .

If batteries are charged correctly they will last 10 years.

Most people only need them between about 5pm and 12pm max .wind does not sleep and solar does not need total sunlight to generate power just daylight
You obviously believe in fairies and goblins then.

My laptop, which is just 4 years old, has only charged the battery to 80% and puts up warning at 20% and to sleep at 16%. Isn't used every day and guess what needs new battery because its capacity has fallen too much.

Have you conditioned the battery since your had it ....

It's also called memory lock

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Has any one actually had one 10 years yet?

I notice 1,000 to 1,500 cycles. 1,500 / 365 = just over 4 years.



yes but you don't run them all the way down to empty .

If batteries are charged correctly they will last 10 years.

Most people only need them between about 5pm and 12pm max .wind does not sleep and solar does not need total sunlight to generate power just daylight
You obviously believe in fairies and goblins then.

My laptop, which is just 4 years old, has only charged the battery to 80% and puts up warning at 20% and to sleep at 16%. Isn't used every day and guess what needs new battery because its capacity has fallen too much.

Have you conditioned the battery since your had it ....

It's also called memory lock

As per the instructions.

Just do a search about most of the brand names and you will find that 4 years is about the most you can expect for a laptop battery, a lot say 2 years is not unusual.

You say you don't have it on all the time so how long it that

average of 16 hrs less more

Home battery packs will normally only be used for 6 hrs .

Also your laptop battery would only last 4 hrs tops new and most only 2-3 hrs so not surprising they don't last .

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Rapid charge and discharge stuffs battery's

The actual idea of Home Battery's is not to go off grid but to combine all the generation sources from all the houses and turbines and solar plants .

Those that don't need it but are generating it sell it when that person then needs power he buys but it's all done without you lifting a finger

Hydrogen is complicated and dangerous . Battery's are about to change soon .

I know of a battery that can charge in 5 mins but hold the same amount of charge as a Li Iron of same weight voltage and current and can also discharge quicker than a Li Iron and can be charge 10,000 times plus

Good old ozzie know how ....but shhhhhh very top secret

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You can smell natural gas you can't.
Yes methane stinks.

Methane is odorless.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/what-exactly-is-mercaptan-8462250.html is the added stink agent.

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You say you don't have it on all the time so how long it that

average of 16 hrs less more

Home battery packs will normally only be used for 6 hrs .

Also your laptop battery would only last 4 hrs tops new and most only 2-3 hrs so not surprising they don't last .

The longest it is on and working, not sleeping is about two hrs/day. It only occasionally put into sleep mode for longer than two hrs.

It's normal weekday pattern is on for two periods/day and they can last from 15 mins to an hour or so, not more than an hour and a half. For the longer periods it is usually mains powered.
At least one w/end in four, it will be used for extended periods but is always mains powered at this time.

I said in a post the otherday that battery tech is about to change .

well it's come quicker than i thought google Lithium Cobalt batteries

The new batery i said i know about that has just been granted a patient and invented here in ozz is based on Lithium Cobalt batteries however the electrolite used is different and a game changer .

It will allow the battery to be charged 10,000 times and charge up in only a fraction of the time battery's do now .

They have similar property's to a capacitor battery but without the pitfalls .

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The first of the new types of battery's avaliable on the market is

http://minimaxcharger.com.au/

Minimax

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I would suggest you Americans stop wasting money on a outdated tech , Hydrogen and get behind new battery tech or we are going to leave you in the dust with this tech .

Same people that brought the world wi-fi are working on new battery tech and are the same people that have the new patient fro the new battery tech

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Lithium Cobalt batteries

Now you are getting confused, Lithium Cobalt batteries were the first Lithium batteries to be developed. And although have high storage capabilities, but don't allow rapid discharge. Which is fine for small portable devices where the discharge rate is usually about the same as the charging rate. But not good if you want to store larger amounts of power to be used for powering high loads, which would occur at home if you want cook or heat something.

Lithium Cobalt batteries

Now you are getting confused, Lithium Cobalt batteries were the first Lithium batteries to be developed. And although have high storage capabilities, but don't allow rapid discharge. Which is fine for small portable devices where the discharge rate is usually about the same as the charging rate. But not good if you want to store larger amounts of power to be used for powering high loads, which would occur at home if you want cook or heat something.

There are newer Lithium Cobalt batteries that have high discharge rates.
Lithium nickel cobalt aluminum oxide battery, or NCA.
Applications: Medical devices, industrial, electric powertrain (Tesla)
Lithium Titanate
Titanium instead of cobalt.
Applications: UPS, electric powertrain (Mitsubishi i-MiEV, Honda Fit EV).
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/types_of_lithium_ion

Lithium Cobalt batteries

Now you are getting confused, Lithium Cobalt batteries were the first Lithium batteries to be developed. And although have high storage capabilities, but don't allow rapid discharge. Which is fine for small portable devices where the discharge rate is usually about the same as the charging rate. But not good if you want to store larger amounts of power to be used for powering high loads, which would occur at home if you want cook or heat something.

There are newer Lithium Cobalt batteries that have high discharge rates.
Lithium nickel cobalt aluminum oxide battery, or NCA.
Applications: Medical devices, industrial, electric powertrain (Tesla)
Lithium Titanate
Titanium instead of cobalt.
Applications: UPS, electric powertrain (Mitsubishi i-MiEV, Honda Fit EV).
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/types_of_lithium_ion

I agree there are high discharge Lithium batteries with compounds that include cobalt, but he didn't say that, I take his statement to be solely Lithium Cobalt. If he wants to make those claims with a different cathode then he should have stated it.

winternight you are being selective in picking things out in my post .


I did say minmax is the first of these batteries

It is not the battery thou that I am talking about as that has not even gone into production .

It is based on Li Cobalt however they have solved a big problem with batteries and that is the electrolyte that is use .

Normally the electrolyte is a paste but it won't be in future .

The paste can leak out and the chemistry can go wrong after time .

The new battery's will not have that problem , they will be able to be charged 10,000 times and can charge quickly and discharge quickly but you won't see them for about 12-18 months yet .

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I would suggest you Americans stop wasting money on a outdated tech , Hydrogen and get behind new battery tech or we are going to leave you in the dust with this tech .

Same people that brought the world wi-fi are working on new battery tech and are the same people that have the new patient fro the new battery tech

Tech don't matter if the original power source is a coal fired electric plant. The energy companies are having a profit orgy with green tech!

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