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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
(3) commits or attempts to commit a felony, other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, he commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual. Hmm. Note that the text says "he commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual". Singularis. In this case it was 5 kids that according to the US laws (adopted from the English common law btw) that could be guilty of murder of the kid that the police officer killed. For all I know common law is that only one person can be convicted of murder of one person. In this case it looks like that the convicted person was picked randomly. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30690 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
OK.But the perpetrator was the police officer... The answer is in the BBC article Smith decided to take that risk, turning down a 25-year plea deal, and was found guilty by a jury. The other three surviving suspects have pleaded guilty and are awaiting sentencing. Randall Houston, the district attorney who prosecuted Smith, says he felt the charges and the punishment were appropriate. They obviously took a plea agreement to lesser charges. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Trump's "Making America Great again" campaign :-) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19093 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
The Guardian - US sheriff once said it was 'financially better' to kill than badly injure suspects The sheriff of a county profiled by the Guardian after it was found to have the highest rate of killings by police in the US once said it is “better financially†for local authorities if officers kill suspects rather than badly injure them. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well what more are you expecting from Yanks with guns? They don't care as long as the "kill" gets counted. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30690 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Moomin's question about murder but not, brings up a interesting thing. Joe joins a crime gang. Someone in that gang does a crime for prestige. Presumably some of that prestige rubs off on Joe. Now is Joe guilty of that crime? With the way accomplice laws work he should be. A nice powerful tool to clean up crime syndicates. Since gangs like MS-13 love to tattoo themselves, you just need to prove the crime was by any gang member and you can put them all away because they have marked themselves. Legislatures are you listening? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30690 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The fiduciary duty to the tax payer in this case.Well what more are you expecting from Yanks with guns? They don't care as long as the "kill" gets counted. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30690 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The fiduciary duty to the tax payer in this case.Well what more are you expecting from Yanks with guns? They don't care as long as the "kill" gets counted. And still people don't get the fiduciary duty is the most obscene thing man has ever invented. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20372 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
WHAT sort of schooling does America have? Guns... And now added with: ... Teachers in Pennsylvania get 16in bats... For REAL!?... What sort of an education is that?... What does that teach?... Only in Amerika! And all in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20372 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Add Little Britain :) Hey! We abandoned caning in schools many years ago. Baseball bats are more the sort of nuklear option that are only shown as a laugh on cartoons or as where not to go in dystopian films... :-( What next?... Where's the good sense?... Only in the Kafkaesque Amerika? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Add Little Britain :) What is wrong with baseball bats at school? They are athletic equipment. http://activerain.com/blogsview/80091/tahoma-high-school-baseball Now then, if one was discussing a variation on a cricket bat, you might have a point... maybe... https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Oh dear. Trying using bats against shooters... Though the bats are largely symbolic, Superintendent William Hall said, they are there as a "last resort"."last resort"? Well most likely the last thing you ever do. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Anything is preferable to crouching in terror while awaiting to be killed.For all I know is that school shooting victims are always crouching in terror while awaiting not to be killed. That some teacher or perhaps even a student would stand up as an hero with a bat or a gun to end the shooting... Give me a break. From what I have seen from the Florida shootings for example the police always says "Stay down, Take cover, Don't engage". That's a very good advice! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19093 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Bank of America to stop lending to some gun manufacturers in wake of Parkland massacre Bank of America will stop lending to manufacturers of “military-style firearms†that are sold for civilian use, a bank official revealed this week. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
It is your individual decision. You mean something like this. Four Swedish police officers took a break from their New York vacation to answer the call of duty Wednesday, breaking up an out-of-control fight between two homeless men on a Manhattan subway train. https://nypost.com/2015/04/22/swedish-cops-on-vacation-break-up-subway-fight/ Here it's called "Civil Kurage", Moral courage, the courage to take action for moral reasons despite the risk of adverse consequences. That action is very rare and for school kids and teachers it's even more rare for obvious reasons. Actually "moral courage" has been discussed here and some propone that it should be an criminal offense not to act seeing an criminal act and not engaging. Well when it comes to voilence and weapons even our police says that you shouldn't engage! |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
...engage the murderer who will kill you if you don't.Yes. Meaning that someone shooting right at you or coming at you or your family with a knife or other lethal weapon you would naturally engage. It's called self-defense. But other than that you will see very few engage. I have both been to and seen violent situations many times where people suddenly disappears when it happens! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19093 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
In states such as Texas, an undocumented migrant is not allowed to get a driver’s license. But anyone — even a member of the MS-13 gang without papers — can potentially walk into a gun show and buy a semiautomatic rifle. Organized crime groups are taking advantage of this every day. NYT - The Other Border Problem: American Guns Going to Mexico |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30690 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
In states such as Texas, an undocumented migrant is not allowed to get a driver’s license. But anyone — even a member of the MS-13 gang without papers — can potentially walk into a gun show and buy a semiautomatic rifle. Organized crime groups are taking advantage of this every day. Interesting, must be a Texas only loophole. http://res.cloudinary.com/simpleview/image/upload/v1505838454/clients/lasvegas/LVCC_and_CC_2017_BUM_46366050-3e74-47dd-b0d3-8e4b74245826.pdf Page 42 wrote: Firearms (handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc.) may be legally bought and sold at gun shows in Clark County. In order to complete the sale, the Lessee must make arrangements to have a local licensed firearms dealer on property to handle transfers and conduct background checks. All firearm sales will go through this dealer. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Guns and gun laws in Sweden:) https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/halland/hade-7-pistoler-pa-aldreboendet-doms-till-villkorlig-dom-och-boter He started approaching 90 years. Relatives decided to empty his property in Halmstad. There were 40 guns and rifles and weapon parts, partially hidden in the walls. One of the guns found at the man in Halmstad. The gun is the Walther PP model, the same brand as the police previously used as a service weapon. . |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
In states such as Texas, an undocumented migrant is not allowed to get a driver’s license. But anyone — even a member of the MS-13 gang without papers — can potentially walk into a gun show and buy a semiautomatic rifle. Organized crime groups are taking advantage of this every day. Bat guano. It is not just Texas. Most states do not require background checks on private sales of firearms (including gun shows). Sure, some do, but most of those require it only on handguns. As to Nevada, what you linked is rules of Las Vegas Convention Center, not Nevada law. Yes, Nevada voters passed a law to require the checks, but it is not enforceable due to a spat between the FBI and Nevada State authorities. In December, the FBI said in a letter to state officials that Nevada could better assess applicants’ fitness themselves because records such as arrest warrants and drivers’ records are kept by the state. State legislation can’t dictate how federal resources are applied, according to the letter. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-02/nevada-s-background-check-for-gun-buyers-stalls-despite-voter-ok But, even if you DO manage to close the 'gun-show' loophole nationwide, it will not stop the guns going south. Ioan Grillo's op-ed in the NYT made it very clear why it won't... in the 1st paragraph. He never bothered paying American citizen straw buyers to purchase the weapons for him, he said. A person buys one or more firearms from a licensed gun dealer. Background checks done. All is well..... THEN, that person sells said firearm(s) to someone else. Legal so far.... The someone else then runs them to Mexico... <--- the illegal part. Sorry, but there is no quick, easy, and inexpensive 'fix' to solve this problem. Stuff gets smuggled into the USA with enough frequency to supply the 'needs' of various groups (drugs for the drug addicts, etc., etc.). If stuff can be smuggled in, stuff can be smuggled out... And don't even think about any sort of prohibition. That didn't work on booze (also fueling a large expansion of organized crime), it hasn't worked on various drugs (again, fueling a large expansion of organized crime)... And so on, and so forth. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
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