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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yes, the NRA is used as a boogeyman. Interesting. It appears that OpenSecrets is either misinformed or lying.Now why don't I believe that? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Burp |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
If it's true the 2nd Amendment allows restrictions on certain types of weapons, then what happened? The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Want it from the horse's mouth, register and check out their tax returns https://www.guidestar.org/profile/53-0116130 |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Note: John McCain received the bulk of his donations as the 2008 Republican presidential nominee. For all Congress members, total includes both direct campaign contributions as well as outside money spent on behalf of candidates from the N.R.A.'s Political Action Committees and directly from the N.R.A.'s 501(c)(4) social welfare arm, which does not have to disclose its donors to the public. Figures also subtract independent expenditures for and against opponents if the candidate did not compete in a general election. Dollar figures are career totals back to 1989.Hmm... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
If it's true the 2nd Amendment allows restrictions on certain types of weapons, then what happened? He intentionally forgets the 10 year ban which SCOTUS did not overturn. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19135 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
If it's true the 2nd Amendment allows restrictions on certain types of weapons, then what happened? The 2nd didn't need restrictions when it was written in 1781. Pistols were single shot and long weapons were muskets with no sights, smooth bore the ammo was a ball, so inaccurate and short range and needed 20 seconds to reload, if you practiced every day. If you could hit a barn door at 50 paces twice with two shots in a minute, you were a skilled marksman. Today with a semi automatic pistol, with a bit of practice, you could hit your house front door twice every second. Even using bolt action rifles in international biathlon the competitors, when their heart beat is above 120 beats/min, only take 30 seconds to hit five 2 inch diameter targets. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Major that's a straw man argument, a mad man with a knife or a chainsaw is not likely to create dozens of victims at a time. It is relatively easy with semiautomatic weapons and large capacity magazines. Straw man argument? I think not. Or don't you pay attention to world news? Examples: The Kunming China mass stabbing on March 1, 2014... 31 civilians dead. Over 140 injured. Group of 8 attackers got busy at a train station. Sagamihara Japan, July 26, 2016. A former employee went on a rampage at a home for the disabled with a knife. 19 dead, 26 injured. You want me to keep going on? I also notice that you did not mention vehicles. Lots of those incidents. Manhattan, New York: Oct 31, 2017 -- 8 dead, 12 injured. Barcelona, Spain: Aug 17, 2017 -- 14 dead, over 100 injured. Charlottesville, Virginia: Aug 12, 2017 -- 1 dead, 19 injured. London, UK: June 3, 2017 -- 8 dead, over 40 injured. Stockholm, Sweden: April 7, 2017 -- 5 dead, 12 injured. London, UK: March 22, 2017 -- 5 dead, scores injured. Nice, France -- July 14, 2016 -- 84 dead, over 200 injured. Berlin, Germany -- Dec. 19, 2016 -- 12 dead, 48 wounded. You want me to keep going on on this one? I don't consider this a straw man argument. If you do, it just proves that you are not out to save peoples lives, instead you are just out to disarm people that have not personally done you ANY harm. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Most of those were "terrorist" attacks, so a big difference indeed, or have you forgotten 9/11 already? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19135 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Most of those were "terrorist" attacks, so a big difference indeed, or have you forgotten 9/11 already? Or the Oklahoma City bombing. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 35094 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
That tired old Straw man must be near worn out by now. Next some idiot will bring up an argument related to deaths caused by bathtubs, chairs and showers to try and divert attention away from "designed weapons of mass murder". Yawn. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 35094 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
More yawning. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
the 10 year ban which SCOTUS did not overturn So what happened? Why did it only last 10 years? The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I believe we both understand that this belief. Be it Religious or Secular. Has, and always will, result in the greatest crimes against humanity.How sad that bigotry is alive & well. So we're hitler/stalin reincarnations? Well, considering your post history, I suppose it was inevitable. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 35094 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
the 10 year ban which SCOTUS did not overturn Because the ban was originally only setup to last 10yrs to start with, once it expired mass shootings skyrocketed past pre-ban days. More about the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. Cheers. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
I also notice that you did not mention vehicles. Lots of those incidents. For heavens sake. Vehicles are not designed to kill. Guns are! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19135 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Some facts Two accidental deaths per justified gun death. About 100 suicides per justified death. About 100 homicides per 2 justified deaths. About 1000 illegal deaths per justified death. A person pulling the trigger on a gun is most likely to be shooting themselves, then their family, then commit a felony, then way, way, way down the line, if they're lucky, they hit a bad guy. To add some more painful perspective, you are about 1500 times more likely to be shot by a true American than by a terrorist. The reality seems to be that when your bullets don't wind up in non-human animals or street signs, then when you use one to shoot someone, about 99 times out of a 100, you will commit a felony, shoot yourself, or shoot someone by accident. In one out of a hundred cases, you shoot the bad guy. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
That Sunset clause was kind of dumb. Very strange to me. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
That Sunset clause was kind of dumb. Very strange to me. I think you're probably right. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
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