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Message 1939098 - Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 6:29:33 UTC

Tesla's big mistake is the system can tell when the driver is ignoring it**. The software must go into a fail safe mode and bring the vehicle to a stop and if no action is taken then call 911, assuming a medical emergency, just like OnStar calls 911 if the airbags deploy.
If action is taken after going into fail safe the system should disengage completely* and stay disengaged for some length of time to make even moronic idiots realize they must actually drive the car.

I agree - a "shut-down, cool-down" period before being able to drive off, then having to DRIVE the car with the autopilot function disabled is one possible way of reducing the number of moron-induced crashes.
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Message 1939106 - Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 7:50:29 UTC - in response to Message 1939093.  

No human in the aircraft is an autopilot today.

No, that is a drone, as you pointed out in your following sentence.
You are the one trying to change the words used for particular colours (as you described it previously).

An autopilot on a modern aircraft can do everything from take off, fly, and land (for the most advanced units), however there is still a pilot on the aircraft & they are responsible for the aircraft. While such an Auto Pilot can do everything, that isn't what it is there for- it is there to assist the pilot to do their job, not to do it all for them, un-supervised without any input from the pilot.

I'm not debating who should be at fault, I telling you what a jury will find and why.

That just reflects poorly on the jury.

People who design products and name features must always realize a moronic idiot will be a user and design it so he can use it and not kill himself or others.

Just as an ordinary car is subject to misuse & abuse, and the driver is responsible for their actions, the same applies to any vehicle with more advanced forms of driver assistance
In which case the only answer is to do away with all safety advanced devices in any non fully autonomous vehicle as they all require a minimum level of input from the user in order to work, and as such they are subject to misuse and abuse. And the more idiot proof you make them, the greater the level of idiot that will develop.

Either people are responsible for using things appropriately, or those features should be removed entirely- even if more lives would be saved through their use, than lost through their misuse.


It all comes back to what I have long argued- being allowed to obtain a licence and drive a vehicle is a privilege, not a right. The ability to drive the vehicle is the least of the requirements to be allowed to operate one; aptitude & attitude are the most important. People that think that speed limits, BAC (Blood Alcohol Content), not doing burnouts or power slides on public roads doesn't apply to them should never be allowed to drive. Of course if that were the case, then seatbelts, crumple zones, airbags & ABS would never have been developed, let alone all the other safety technologies.
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Message 1939107 - Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 8:06:56 UTC - in response to Message 1939106.  

It all comes back to what I have long argued- being allowed to obtain a licence and drive a vehicle is a privilege, not a right. The ability to drive the vehicle is the least of the requirements to be allowed to operate one; aptitude & attitude are the most important. People that think that speed limits, BAC (Blood Alcohol Content), not doing burnouts or power slides on public roads doesn't apply to them should never be allowed to drive.
Can't speak for the rest of the world but here the dCPC should be mandatory for ALL classes of vehicles not just HGV's.

As it has to be renewed every 5 years at a cost, there will be an extra income for the government to maintain roads & increase traffic police numbers - job done!
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Message 1939127 - Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 13:38:00 UTC - in response to Message 1939106.  

No human in the aircraft is an autopilot today.

No, that is a drone, as you pointed out in your following sentence.

Drone aircraft come in a flavor that does require a pilot, he just may not be on the aircraft.


That just reflects poorly on the jury.

Jury's are made of people to stupid to get off jury duty.
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Message 1939940 - Posted: 17 Jun 2018, 11:07:52 UTC

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Message 1940241 - Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 9:35:02 UTC

Interesting

Just wondering what will provide the electricity to power the recharging points.
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Message 1940242 - Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 10:13:12 UTC - in response to Message 1940241.  

Interesting

Just wondering what will provide the electricity to power the recharging points.

96% of Norway's power is supplied by Hydro, the remainder through Geothermal & Wind. They also import some power that is produced using fossil fuels, however they are a net exporter of electricity (2016 they imported 5,741 GWh, and exported 22,151 GWh).
Statistics Norway, electricity
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Message 1940580 - Posted: 21 Jun 2018, 5:59:16 UTC - in response to Message 1940241.  

Interesting

Just wondering what will provide the electricity to power the recharging points.


Slightly off topic but I saw somewhere on the BBC website that some warehouses are now using Hydrogen fuel cell powered drones for stock control purposes, fast refuel times and longer flight time compared with batteries, Hydrogen as a fuel is not dependent on long recharge times, has more power for weight than batteries and can be generated at low power use times, it has also got a fairly low power loss.
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Message 1940787 - Posted: 22 Jun 2018, 10:21:23 UTC

To stream or not to stream, that is the question:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44574290

(I'd suggest "not")
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Message 1940854 - Posted: 22 Jun 2018, 16:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 1940787.  

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Message 1940855 - Posted: 22 Jun 2018, 16:37:12 UTC - in response to Message 1940787.  

Sadly, seen a fair amount of that on our roads. :-(
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Message 1940860 - Posted: 22 Jun 2018, 16:59:37 UTC - in response to Message 1940855.  

Sadly, seen a fair amount of that on our roads. :-(

See it every day. It isn't going to stop until use of a phone while driving is made a crime. Not a ticket, a crime. Reckless driving, like drink driving. You get to watch your car towed away while you sit in handcuffs in the back of a police car.
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Message 1940861 - Posted: 22 Jun 2018, 17:04:29 UTC - in response to Message 1940860.  

Not just phones. :-( Had several occasions on the A14 where truck drivers were watching films on a laptop.
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Message 1941003 - Posted: 23 Jun 2018, 23:38:57 UTC

https://apnews.com/852170d278a6451d8ed1bc14a1eed8ce/BNSF:-Estimated-230,000-gallons-of-oil-spilled-in-derailment
DOON, Iowa (AP) — An estimated 230,000 gallons (870,619 liters) of crude oil spilled into floodwaters in the northwestern corner of Iowa following a train derailment, a railroad official said Saturday.

BNSF spokesman Andy Williams said 14 of 32 oil tanker cars just south of Doon in Lyon County leaked oil into surrounding floodwaters from the swollen Little Rock River. Williams had earlier said 33 oil cars had derailed.

Nearly half the spill — an estimated 100,000 gallons (378,530 liters) — had been contained with booms near the derailment site and an additional boom placed approximately 5 miles (8.05 kilometers) downstream, Williams said. Skimmers and vacuum trucks were being used to remove the oil. Crews will then use equipment to separate the oil from the water.

Officials still hadn’t determined the cause of Friday morning’s derailment, but a disaster proclamation issued by Gov. Kim Reynolds for Lyon and three other counties placed the blame on rain-fueled flooding. Reynolds visited the derailment site Saturday afternoon as part of a tour of areas hit by recent flooding.
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Message 1941076 - Posted: 24 Jun 2018, 17:06:20 UTC

Another drinking driver that was lucky beyond belief.
Video shows woman walking away after car goes airborne, crashes into gas pumps.
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Message 1941284 - Posted: 26 Jun 2018, 8:57:07 UTC

Wondered why the traffic was building up too quick here. Hope no fatalities ( only 2 minutes to A47).

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Message 1941293 - Posted: 26 Jun 2018, 10:24:53 UTC

That report has been updated. Looking at that 2nd photo, some serious questions need to be asked.
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Message 1941299 - Posted: 26 Jun 2018, 12:12:01 UTC

Report just updated further. Sadly, 2 passengers have lost their lives. Bretts the transport company involved have declined to comment, while First Bus has stated it was one of theirs but no further comment was forthcoming.
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Message 1941424 - Posted: 27 Jun 2018, 3:41:30 UTC - in response to Message 1941299.  

Tachograph and on board Telematics in the truck will tell all, but probably the only clue we will get is if the truck driver is arrested and charged.
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