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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36987 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Now that's something to worry about. Missing a small part on a landing gear, FedEx pilots were forced to make an emergency landing. Federal safety officials said Wednesday they were unable to determine why a pin in a landing gear of a FedEx plane came loose during a 2020 flight, disabling the gear and forcing pilots to make an emergency landing. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36987 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Just how big are these floating disease incubators going to get before they roll over in a slight breeze? :-O If you thought the Titanic was big, wait until you see the size of this ship that’s been dubbed the world’s largest. The world’s biggest cruise ship is preparing to set sail, as it was seen testing the waters ahead of its 2024 launch.I also wonder how many ports can actually accommodate the behemoth of a thing. Cheers. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1220 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
.....It’s over 20 decks tall, boasts seven pools and can accommodate almost 8,000 guests......I wonder if one can evacuate such 'behemoth' in case of an emergency. Winter cruises in the North Atlantic between icebergs are unlikely. But a disaster like the "Costa Concordia" in the Mediterranean can happen anywhere. Any new passenger jet must demonstrate that it can be evacuated by ordinary people (old and young, not trained professionals) within 90 seconds as a certification requirement. What about cruise giants on the open sea? Has it ever been realistically tested anywhere in the last few decades how to evacuate many thousands of passengers from such behemoth, e.g. within two hours? |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1220 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
If you thought the Titanic was big, wait until you see the size of this ship that’s been dubbed the world’s largest. The new ship will also be the line’s most environmentally-friendly, it’s first with fuel cell technology and powered by liquefied natural gas.We no longer burn the dirty heavy fuel oil but clean LNG. We are environmentally friendly, almost climate neutral. Look, in our ship's atrium there are many large trees that reduce CO2. See all the green plants everywhere. GREEN, do you understand? How do you define late Roman decadence? This ship embodies it! What needs more drive power? The propellers? Or the electricity, water supply, air conditioning, ... , of this ship? But that's all off topic for this thread. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36987 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
.....But that's all off topic for this thread.You could take those to debate elsewhere. ;-) Cheers. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21301 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... a disaster like the "Costa Concordia" in the Mediterranean can happen anywhere... Take one perfectly good ship headed by a vain/incompetent captain and too many others pay the consequences... So... We now have 250,000 tons and 8000 passengers and a few thousand crew and... Should regulations be imposed to include a monitoring "black box", and for the activities recorded and the Captain's actions, to be reviewed every few months to check for any hubris or other unsafe practices creeping in?... And are there tested contingency plans for the inevitable 'emergencies'?... Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31029 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Should regulations be imposed to include a monitoring "black box", and for the activities recorded and the Captain's actions, to be reviewed every few months to check for any hubris or other unsafe practices creeping in?...They do on aircraft. They do in the Military. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13861 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Grant Darwin NT |
Harri Liljeroos Send message Joined: 29 May 99 Posts: 4908 Credit: 85,281,665 RAC: 126 |
Should regulations be imposed to include a monitoring "black box", and for the activities recorded and the Captain's actions, to be reviewed every few months to check for any hubris or other unsafe practices creeping in?...They do on aircraft. They do in the Military. That seems to be in use already: https://www.cruisecritic.com/articles/voyage-data-recorder-the-little-black-box-of-cruise-ships |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1220 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Should regulations be imposed to include a monitoring "black box", and for the activities recorded [...]These blackboxes are in place at cruise ships. The recordings from the Concordia's blackbox had been secured then. [...]and the Captain's actions, to be reviewed every few months to check for any hubris or other unsafe practices creeping in?...I think there are no national or international regulations to do so. National port authorities still have problems with commercial shipping and drunken captains as there are almost no binding international regulations limiting alcohol intoxication. It depends on the cruise ship's operator if crews' practices are reviewed regularly. And are there tested contingency plans for the inevitable 'emergencies'?...To my knowledge, nowhere on earth there are truely tested contigency plans to evacuate a giant cruise behemoth which carries thousands of passengers. It's planned on paper only everywhere. The obligatory "test run" for cruise passengers is to collect a life jacket and meet at the boat deck once (if wind speeds and temperatures are comfortable); the long-awaited and adventureous event of any cruise ship voyage, good for fancy photos, nothing else. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14680 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I think most 'black box' style recorders are used - after the event - to analyse the accident, learn lessons, apportion blame. Their use for proactive monitoring, performance assessment, legal compliance and so on tends to be resented by the persons being monitored, and resisted on the grounds of privacy. Remember when the heavy goods vehicle tachograph was widely described as the "spy in the cab"? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31029 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
In the air carrier world the black boxes are dumped for review frequently. Any time any parameter is exceeded the crew is going to be hauled into the office to explain. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21301 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Thanks for those comments. So... We have the safety tech to review safety. ... However, not done until the next Titanic... How many lifeboats? How many crew know how to launch them??... And under adverse conditions??... Sail safely?... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31029 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So... We have the safety tech to review safety. What do you mean I need a license to build a boat? |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22556 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
All this, and more, is covered in the IMO regulations: https://www.imo.org/en/OurWork/Safety/Pages/PassengerShips.aspx The first paragraph gives the scope of coverage: Passenger ships - usually defined as a ship carrying more than 12 passengers - on international voyages must comply with all relevant IMO regulations, including those in the SOLAS and Load Lines Conventions. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21301 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... And then there are recently: Three Britons confirmed dead in Egypt boat fire wrote: ... a Kuwaiti tourist who witnessed the blaze, said the fire had spread fast, engulfing the entire boat within minutes... Escape from the Egyptian Bermuda Triangle: passengers describe terrifying ordeal on capsizing boat wrote: ... guests have told for the first time of their ordeal after the boat capsized - for no obvious reason... IIRC from reading elsewhere, there is an embargo on any additional boats/ships getting licenses to operate in that area. Hence instead, tour operators are "refurbishing" their existing boats to profitably add additional cabins... Coming back to the design of an 8000 passenger cruiser... Safety to accommodate so many people against fire or sinking or disease comes expensive for no profitable return for those safety measures... Compromises?... Are the regulations and enforcement and oversight fit for such a large and new design?... Sail safely? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3353 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Rescued Australian man who was adrift 3 months in Pacific with dog 'grateful' to be alive "Asked why he set out in April from Mexico's Baja Peninsula to cross the Pacific Ocean to French Polynesia, he was initially at a loss. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36987 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
What a mess. :-O Multiple people injured in Bruce Highway crash involving US military tank. A United States military tank, multiple caravans and a B-double truck have been involved in a seven-vehicle crash on the Bruce Highway south of Rockhampton, injuring several people.It's amazing that no one was killed and that truck with the tank onboard is the only vehicle not on the correct side of the highway. |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3353 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
US opens special probe into fatal Tesla crash that killed a 3 months old baby... The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is probing the July 5 crash in South Lake Tahoe killed the 17-year-old driver of a 2013 Subaru Impreza after a head-on collision with the Tesla Model 3 and fatally injured a three-month-old passenger in the Tesla who died several days later, the California Highway Patrol said. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19417 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
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