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Message 2078523 - Posted: 23 Jun 2021, 21:39:12 UTC - in response to Message 2078516.  
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/23/us/pedestrian-bridge-collapse-washington-dc/index.html
Surely the quotes below are mutually exclusive.
A pedestrian bridge that likely was struck by at least one vehicle collapsed onto Interstate 295 in Washington, DC

DC Fire and EMS said in a tweet. "We don't have any structural concerns about the bridge. It was last inspected in February," Mayor Muriel Bowser said.


Or, maybe I am wrong and bridge designers, builders and inspectors, don't have to take into consideration the effects of a fully laden truck crashing into the bridge supports.
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Message 2078529 - Posted: 23 Jun 2021, 23:48:29 UTC - in response to Message 2078523.  
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We here had the same complacency until a sleeping road driver sleep drove off a road bridge embankment near Selby to block the path of a speedy train... A second train then added yet more carnage...

Since then, (hopefully) all roads have been assessed and upgraded with wagon-proof barriers to stop any further 'collateral damage' from road vehicles.

The crash protection added to protect bridge supports for our motorways look impressively expensive for the retrofitting...

All an old SEP that came back to haunt?


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Message 2078953 - Posted: 30 Jun 2021, 15:56:54 UTC

Will we see aerial speed cameras?
600 miles on a tankful
Nice, can we have those engines in normal cars?
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Message 2078954 - Posted: 30 Jun 2021, 16:00:55 UTC - in response to Message 2078953.  

That's about what I get on my current car. My tank takes around 42 litres to go from 'reserve' to full: I wonder how large theirs is?
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Message 2079140 - Posted: 4 Jul 2021, 1:34:16 UTC
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Tesla Model S Plaid erupts in flames and briefly traps owner after electronic doors fail, attorneys say
It happened outside Philadelphia days after the man took delivery ... and that it took more than two hours to extinguish.

... “With the Teslas, you’ve got to just put copious amounts of water on it,”

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Message 2079248 - Posted: 5 Jul 2021, 21:14:06 UTC

Some people should never be allowed out on the roads.

Driver running late for work mounts his Subaru Impreza onto a Kia after failing to give way.

I hope that he had good insurance.

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Message 2079267 - Posted: 6 Jul 2021, 4:06:50 UTC

Dude probably can't get a 5G enabled cellphone to work in the valley & mountain area.
Only in California do you see things like this...
Things that needn't be said: Don't plonk a massive Starlink disk on the hood of your car
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Message 2080079 - Posted: 15 Jul 2021, 16:04:04 UTC

Not much one can do about safety with numpties like this around.
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Message 2080159 - Posted: 16 Jul 2021, 7:45:55 UTC

An Emirates Airlines Boeing 777 starting from Malpensa Airport near Milano was hit by a hailstorm 5 minutes after takeoff and was obliged to go back after discharging 10 tons of fuel. It was bound to New York.
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Message 2080171 - Posted: 16 Jul 2021, 13:58:58 UTC - in response to Message 2080159.  

An Emirates Airlines Boeing 777 starting from Malpensa Airport near Milano was hit by a hailstorm 5 minutes after takeoff and was obliged to go back after discharging 10 tons of fuel. It was bound to New York.
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Why in this day of weather radar was it allowed to take off or its route of flight not changed?
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Message 2080213 - Posted: 16 Jul 2021, 22:30:54 UTC - in response to Message 2080171.  

An Emirates Airlines Boeing 777 starting from Malpensa Airport near Milano was hit by a hailstorm 5 minutes after takeoff and was obliged to go back after discharging 10 tons of fuel. It was bound to New York.
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Why in this day of weather radar was it allowed to take off or its route of flight not changed?
Will have to wait for the report to find out, but the most likely answer will be stupidity and greed of the company.

Remember the Y2k bug?
It was a significant problem and would have had a severe impact on many businesses and government services. But it was known about well in advance, and so work was done to work around or eliminate the issue & the end result was there were only some instances of smaller systems having issues,
But many people being as stupid as they can be, called the whole thing a hoax & fake & waste of time & money to fix- because it was fixed and the issues it would have caused didn't occur (particularly all of those over the top end of the world tele-movies).
If an aircraft takes off and crashes/is damaged it easy to say that they shouldn't have taken off. But if they don't, in most cases it's near impossible to prove that if they had taken off that something detrimental would have happened to the flight.

And while the Captain has the authority & responsibility to not take off if they feel it is unsafe to do so, such delays can result in penalties & running in to hours of service limits & other costs & issues. And if all the aircraft before them were able to leave without issue, and the ones following, why didn't they? Time to find a new job, there are plenty of pilots looking for work, we'll get one that's not scared of a few clouds.
There's a good chance the clouds were forming up, but there was no precipitation occurring (so noting on the Radar) at the time the aircraft took off, and it only started after they had left the ground. And travelling at 500km/h+ something that happens just in front of you is hard to avoid.


But if the weather was on the Radar before the aircraft left the ground then some very hard questions need to be asked of the ATC & the plane's crew.
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Message 2080221 - Posted: 17 Jul 2021, 1:21:57 UTC - in response to Message 2080213.  

An Emirates Airlines Boeing 777 starting from Malpensa Airport near Milano was hit by a hailstorm 5 minutes after takeoff and was obliged to go back after discharging 10 tons of fuel. It was bound to New York.
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Why in this day of weather radar was it allowed to take off or its route of flight not changed?
Will have to wait for the report to find out, but the most likely answer will be stupidity and greed of the company.

Remember the Y2k bug?
It was a significant problem and would have had a severe impact on many businesses and government services. But it was known about well in advance, and so work was done to work around or eliminate the issue & the end result was there were only some instances of smaller systems having issues,
But many people being as stupid as they can be, called the whole thing a hoax & fake & waste of time & money to fix- because it was fixed and the issues it would have caused didn't occur (particularly all of those over the top end of the world tele-movies).
If an aircraft takes off and crashes/is damaged it easy to say that they shouldn't have taken off. But if they don't, in most cases it's near impossible to prove that if they had taken off that something detrimental would have happened to the flight.

And while the Captain has the authority & responsibility to not take off if they feel it is unsafe to do so, such delays can result in penalties & running in to hours of service limits & other costs & issues. And if all the aircraft before them were able to leave without issue, and the ones following, why didn't they? Time to find a new job, there are plenty of pilots looking for work, we'll get one that's not scared of a few clouds.
There's a good chance the clouds were forming up, but there was no precipitation occurring (so noting on the Radar) at the time the aircraft took off, and it only started after they had left the ground. And travelling at 500km/h+ something that happens just in front of you is hard to avoid.


But if the weather was on the Radar before the aircraft left the ground then some very hard questions need to be asked of the ATC & the plane's crew.

I was less thinking of the onboard radar, but much more the ground radar. Perhaps we will find out that the tower did not have it or it was down. But five flight minutes from the runway will be on the local ATC screen. Hail produces some very obvious radar returns and the dopler wind patterns are there some time before it starts falling. As there is rising terrain in most directions there is really one route; Weather on that route should be a big priority item. Thunderstorms do produce some very severe micro-burst activity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_191 They also produce some extreme turbulence which gets the PAX mighty upset. Stupidity seems to be the cause. No one gets canned for a ten minute delay to let a storm cell pass.
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Message 2080234 - Posted: 17 Jul 2021, 7:17:24 UTC - in response to Message 2080221.  

Having flown in and out of Malpensa a few times I've seen squalls develop very rapidly in the area, moving very rapidly in random directions. Neither ground or air based radar is perfect tracking or identifying this sort of event, indeed the ground based is generally better at identifying slow moving events, not those developing rapidly (just about every airline and "heavy" aircraft pilot I know has hit squalls at some time in their career, most have just been soft stuff like rain or snow, but I can think of a couple that have hit a hail squall, and those do dent the aircraft and have the potential to do damage, and generally don't show up as anything other than precipitation on the aircraft weather radar.
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Message 2080856 - Posted: 25 Jul 2021, 22:27:14 UTC

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Message 2080992 - Posted: 27 Jul 2021, 18:58:02 UTC

A prime example of why texting at the wheel is dangerous. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-57988029
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Message 2081129 - Posted: 29 Jul 2021, 11:52:04 UTC

It has been said on occasions, that this thread is pointless as all it does is highlight accidents.
The No 1 reply to that was & still is - Stop, Think, Act.
If everyone did that, there would be fewer accidents.
Case in point: Cyclist jailed
He certainly obeyed those.
He didn't stop
He didn't think
He acted
Result.
A man is dead
He is in prison
There is also a further consequence - Possible deportation on his release.
What annoys me the worst - When did cycling on the pavements (sidewalks) become the acceptable "norm"?
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Message 2081509 - Posted: 3 Aug 2021, 17:10:21 UTC

For those in the UK that have been waiting over 3 months for a delivery, it might arrive soon(ish), Ever Given: Cargo ship that blocked Suez Canal arrives in Felixstowe

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