@Kittyman, first legit action would be itemisising costs on an invoice, Which I suspect M4 would more than happily pay, given the payoffs from Datamining and NSA, Next step after that would be individual small claims, following which would likely follow a class action, should m$ be found in violation of your constitution (which they are, by use of force/fraud)

The only problem I see there, IE itemizing costs, is that as far as I understand it, the business users of older OSs are getting a way to brick wall the 10 onslaught.
The average Joe, such as you and I, are not.
And how do I itemize my cost and grief in dealing with their BS?
I could put a number on my pain and suffering at MS's hands....hours of lost sleep would be a big one.

Well all reasonable, though tell that to the french airport that had to shut down recenttly, because no-one knew how to fix their Windows 95 machine.

Maybe, Jason....
It is time for the kittyman to give up his dreams and go into retirement.
I am getting increasingly disturbed by things beyond my control.
And getting older by the day.
Lately, I don't get the same satisfaction out of things that used to bring me great joy.

My faith in this project is immense and never ending.

What supports my efforts seems to be getting weaker by the day..

Meowsigh.

'Control' is and always was an illusion. In engineering it's recognised as a function of applying filters to the noise. For many that alone is troubling, but then there is the burden of responsibility (Assumed willingly, or cast upon). I like to think that differences aside, combined we're stronger than the accepted status Quo (e.g. Seth Whatisface).

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Well all reasonable, though tell that to the french airport that had to shut down recenttly, because no-one knew how to fix their Windows 95 machine.

I think it was actually running on Win3.1

How about the closure of English airspace when one of their systems went down in Dec 2014? That system was cutting edge, back in the late 1960s.

Sounds familiar. Good thing they caught it :)

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

'Control' is and always was an illusion. In engineering it's recognised as a function of applying filters to the noise. For many that alone is troubling, but then there is the burden of responsibility (Assumed willingly, or cast upon). I like to think that differences aside, combined we're stronger than the accepted status Quo (e.g. Seth Whatisface).

Well, the original point was to search for ET here.
The manglings of our attempts to do so by MS trying to micromanage their (ours by means of purchasing it) OS and corrupting it if we do not play along is the pain I am speaking of.

Meow.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

'Control' is and always was an illusion. In engineering it's recognised as a function of applying filters to the noise. For many that alone is troubling, but then there is the burden of responsibility (Assumed willingly, or cast upon). I like to think that differences aside, combined we're stronger than the accepted status Quo (e.g. Seth Whatisface).

Well, the original point was to search for ET here.
The manglings of our attempts to do so by MS trying to micromanage their (ours by means of purchasing it) OS and corrupting it if we do not play along is the pain I am speaking of. [For example US FDA actively moving against vaping = bad, and signing the death certificate of maybe millions]

Meow.

Yeah, can relate strongly to ex-Soviet states trying to wean off graft at this point. Perhaps the crooks need to find some other teat to wean off.

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

'Control' is and always was an illusion. In engineering it's recognised as a function of applying filters to the noise. For many that alone is troubling, but then there is the burden of responsibility (Assumed willingly, or cast upon). I like to think that differences aside, combined we're stronger than the accepted status Quo (e.g. Seth Whatisface).

Well, the original point was to search for ET here.
The manglings of our attempts to do so by MS trying to micromanage their (ours by means of purchasing it) OS and corrupting it if we do not play along is the pain I am speaking of.

Meow.

Yeah, can relate strongly to ex-Soviet states trying to wean off graft at this point. Perhaps the crooks need to find some other teat to wean off.

Why bother, when they can just nudge a bit of code and reap millions.
The Russians have been doing that for years.
Because, as MS knows, they can get away with it, and once done, who is going to get it back?

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

exactly Kittyman. Proud to see eye to eye.

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Can we stay non-political in NC please?

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A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read. (Mark Twain)

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Jason...you and I both know that we are just peons in a power play by MS.
I hope they do not get away with it.

Chances are, they shall. Or maybe not this time.

They are breaking so many legal and ethical boundaries.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Can we stay non-political in NC please?

Pfft, probably not ? I call for Number Crunching politics amnesty, until such time as stuff doesn't suck.

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

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Jason...you and I both know that we are just peons in a power play by MS.
I hope they do not get away with it.

Chances are, they shall. Or maybe not this time.

They are breaking so many legal and ethical boundaries.

Welcome to the future :D (and where the F@ck is my flying car?)

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Can we stay non-political in NC please?

Well, Fuzzybutt, the amount of money MS puts into politics might indeed be a topic for the PC forum, but we are talking OS stuff.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

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Jason...you and I both know that we are just peons in a power play by MS.
I hope they do not get away with it.

Chances are, they shall. Or maybe not this time.

They are breaking so many legal and ethical boundaries.

Welcome to the future :D (and where the F@ck is my flying car?)

It stopped flying when MS noticed you had not upgraded to 10 upon their insistence.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Can we stay non-political in NC please?

Pfft, probably not ? I call for Number Crunching politics amnesty, until such time as stuff doesn't suck.

Sounds too much like waiting for Godot.
Motion declined.

edit: you may proceed. I think that was enough of an amnesty.

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A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read. (Mark Twain)

Can we stay non-political in NC please?

If a thread has "windows" "macintosh" or "linux" in the title, it is political. Just a sad commentary on life.

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Can we stay non-political in NC please?

If a thread has "windows" "macintosh" or "linux" in the title, it is political. Just a sad commentary on life.

Almost anything related to brands is partly political these days.
It just depends on the eye of the beholder.

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With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.

This thread gets confusing when posts go missing.

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I say Nay... Win10 forced an update on my parent's machine, failed midway through, destroyed the bootloader on its way out and left me with a mess that took 6 hours to fix.

There's definitely times that Microsoft makes me want to go back to Windows XP, and I keep a Ubuntu dualboot for a reason.

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I hate to say it but ...
The more F/U'd a system is, the less likely someone is paying attention
They are the ones forced into 10 and because it started F/U'd
you can rest assured it only gets worse under 10!
Hence the nightmare stories.

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I hate to say it but ...
The more F/U'd a system is, the less likely someone is paying attention
They are the ones forced into 10 and because it started F/U'd
you can rest assured it only gets worse under 10!
Hence the nightmare stories.

These stories are not always the case of having a F/U'd system. I truly believed it would have been a good thing upgrading to what has become the M$ ransomware (Win10) and was eager to install it, when it first became widely available. My nightmare story happened during the upgrade that so completely corrupted my system during the install and I couldn't back out it because of said corruption, and I had to do a complete clean install of Win7 from my install CD, it took 2 days to completely re-install everything.

Remember back to when this thread was started, not everyone had a F/U'd system to begin with. The greater majority of us that attempted to upgrade and had to revert back to Win7 had perfectly good and stable machines.

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

I hate to say it but ...
The more F/U'd a system is, the less likely someone is paying attention
They are the ones forced into 10 and because it started F/U'd
you can rest assured it only gets worse under 10!
Hence the nightmare stories.

These stories are not always the case of having a F/U'd system. I truly believed it would have been a good thing upgrading to what has become the M$ ransomware (Win10) and was eager to install it, when it first became widely available. My nightmare story happened during the upgrade that so completely corrupted my system during the install and I couldn't back out it because of said corruption, and I had to do a complete clean install of Win7 from my install CD, it took 2 days to completely re-install everything.

Remember back to when this thread was started, not everyone had a F/U'd system to begin with. The greater majority of us that attempted to upgrade and had to revert back to Win7 had perfectly good and stable machines.

Also 'someone paying attention' is kind of unfair in that most PC users (80% using the 80/20 rule) are as ignorant as to the underpinnings of what makes it all work as to what makes an airliner fly. We who haunt these threads are the exception not the rule, and I for one am grateful for the information absorbed from the posts here.

You're only smart when you know what you don't know........

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