April Showers (Apr 09 2015)

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Donald L. Johnson Send message Joined: 5 Aug 02 Posts: 8240 Credit: 14,654,533 RAC: 20	Message 1663807 - Posted: 10 Apr 2015, 21:34:56 UTC - in response to Message 1663799. Yep, 'resend lost tasks' is still turned off. This host has 2 lost tasks attributed to it, the cache is empty yet there are still 2 tasks listed as in progress, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7258715. I've already cleared another host by detaching from the project and reattaching which resulted in 44 lost tasks being listed as Abandoned. Since the other host only has 2 lost tasks I'm going to let them just time out. Some hosts have Hundreds of lost tasks, one known host was in the thousands. It might make bookkeeping easier if these tasks were cleared from the database. Well, it was just turned on; Fri 10 Apr 2015 02:51:26 PM EDT \| SETI@home \| Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. Fri 10 Apr 2015 02:51:26 PM EDT \| SETI@home \| Requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI Fri 10 Apr 2015 02:51:26 PM EDT \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] CPU work request: 69120.00 seconds; 2.00 devices Fri 10 Apr 2015 02:51:26 PM EDT \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] ATI work request: 34560.00 seconds; 2.00 devices Fri 10 Apr 2015 02:51:28 PM EDT \| SETI@home \| Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks Fri 10 Apr 2015 02:51:28 PM EDT \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] Server version 705 Fri 10 Apr 2015 02:51:28 PM EDT \| SETI@home \| Didn't resend lost task 14ja12aa.5456.23675.438086664199.12.61_1 (expired) Fri 10 Apr 2015 02:51:28 PM EDT \| SETI@home \| Didn't resend lost task 06oc12aa.21007.19703.438086664206.12.28_1 (expired) Fri 10 Apr 2015 02:51:28 PM EDT \| SETI@home \| Project has no tasks available Too bad they were expired and not resent.. No, Resend Lost Tasks is NOT turned on. That's why those tasks were expired and sent to another cruncher. And the Resend Lost Tasks function is completely Server side, there is nothing you can do with your preferences to affect it. Right... Try checking the Expiration date on those 2 tasks. It was in May. They were Expired because I had the preferences set to AstroPulse and 'accept work from other tasks' instead of Seti@home v7 when resend lost tasks was turned back on. If I would have had it set to AstroPulse & Seti@home v7 they would have been resent instead of expired. Someone around here mentioned we might get APs, so I changed the preferences the other day and forgot to change them back. It was only 2 tasks that I was going to let expire anyway, no big deal. The point is, Nothing would have happened to them if someone hadn't of turned on 'resent lost tasks' a couple hours ago...at least until May. I'm probably one of the experts around here on how to get a task resent, you should try experimenting with it one day... I'd still like someone to send some APs. I guess I've been fortunate, I've only had a couple of cases of lost tasks when the function was turned off. The only way I knew that's what happened was I got those exact messages in my log file. So, you'll pardon me if I choose not to defer to your expertise..... Donald Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired ID: 1663807 ·

TBar Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768	Message 1663820 - Posted: 10 Apr 2015, 21:50:35 UTC - in response to Message 1663807. I guess I've been fortunate, I've only had a couple of cases of lost tasks when the function was turned off. The only way I knew that's what happened was I got those exact messages in my log file. So, you'll pardon me if I choose not to defer to your expertise..... Well, you can mark this down in the ledger. When a task is lost and you don't have your preferences set to receive that task it will be Expired instead of Resent. The setting 'accept tasks from other applications' doesn't work, it has to be set for that certain application. It's called experience. What do you suppose is going on here if tasks aren't being resent? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7033569 With all those resends expiring in about 4 hours, do you think that 'puter is in Panic mode? ;-) ID: 1663820 ·

Donald L. Johnson Send message Joined: 5 Aug 02 Posts: 8240 Credit: 14,654,533 RAC: 20	Message 1663992 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 6:38:19 UTC - in response to Message 1663820. I guess I've been fortunate, I've only had a couple of cases of lost tasks when the function was turned off. The only way I knew that's what happened was I got those exact messages in my log file. So, you'll pardon me if I choose not to defer to your expertise..... Well, you can mark this down in the ledger. When a task is lost and you don't have your preferences set to receive that task it will be Expired instead of Resent. The setting 'accept tasks from other applications' doesn't work, it has to be set for that certain application. It's called experience. But that was not the case for me. My "lost tasks" were S@H MBv7, my preferences were set to accept them, and they were still expired rather than resent. And the Windows boxes it happened on do not have a GPU, so that wasn't a factor either. What do you suppose is going on here if tasks aren't being resent? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7033569 With all those resends expiring in about 4 hours, do you think that 'puter is in Panic mode? ;-) Yeah, those look like resends, and the shorties are probably running in Priority mode. Donald Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired ID: 1663992 ·

TBar Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768	Message 1664006 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 7:46:15 UTC - in response to Message 1663992. I guess I've been fortunate, I've only had a couple of cases of lost tasks when the function was turned off. The only way I knew that's what happened was I got those exact messages in my log file. So, you'll pardon me if I choose not to defer to your expertise..... Well, you can mark this down in the ledger. When a task is lost and you don't have your preferences set to receive that task it will be Expired instead of Resent. The setting 'accept tasks from other applications' doesn't work, it has to be set for that certain application. It's called experience. But that was not the case for me. My "lost tasks" were S@H MBv7, my preferences were set to accept them, and they were still expired rather than resent. And the Windows boxes it happened on do not have a GPU, so that wasn't a factor either. What do you suppose is going on here if tasks aren't being resent? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7033569 With all those resends expiring in about 4 hours, do you think that 'puter is in Panic mode? ;-) Yeah, those look like resends, and the shorties are probably running in Priority mode. Didn't you say your lost tasks happened while the server option to resend them was turned off? Yes, it's right there in Red. That's the idea behind resending lost tasks, instead of setting there waiting weeks to time out when the deadline is reached, they are dealt with immediately. They are either scheduled to be resent as soon as there is room in the cache, or they are immediately expired if the preferences are not set to accept them. In your case it would appear they waited until the deadline was reached. In my case the deadline was still a month away, however, someone enabled 'resend' while my preferences were not set to accept them. Therefore, mine that still had a month on the deadline were immediately Expired as soon as the host contacted the server after the 'resend' option had been enabled. That host is still receiving resent lost tasks that are set to expire 4 to 5 hours after being resent. That's a dead give away, resent lost tasks have the same deadline as they did originally. It looks as though a few are expiring even as the host is working as many as possible. The Error number is increasing, up from the 152 it was earlier. I wonder how many days it will take the host to work through the remaining 1500 tasks. ID: 1664006 ·

WezH Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 576 Credit: 67,033,957 RAC: 95	Message 1664033 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 10:13:04 UTC Well, it is turned on, or at least it was 10-Apr-2015 21:50:53 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 2 new tasks 10-Apr-2015 21:50:53 [SETI@home] Resent lost task ap_14no14ab_B2_P0_00387_20150318_06063.wu_0 10-Apr-2015 21:50:53 [SETI@home] Resent lost task ap_29no14ab_B2_P0_00376_20150325_11452.wu_0 "Please keep Your signature under four lines so Internet traffic doesn't go up too much" - In 1992 when I had my first e-mail address - ID: 1664033 ·

Donald L. Johnson Send message Joined: 5 Aug 02 Posts: 8240 Credit: 14,654,533 RAC: 20	Message 1664088 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 14:53:24 UTC - in response to Message 1664006. Last modified: 11 Apr 2015, 14:56:08 UTC I guess I've been fortunate, I've only had a couple of cases of lost tasks when the function was turned off. The only way I knew that's what happened was I got those exact messages in my log file. So, you'll pardon me if I choose not to defer to your expertise..... Well, you can mark this down in the ledger. When a task is lost and you don't have your preferences set to receive that task it will be Expired instead of Resent. The setting 'accept tasks from other applications' doesn't work, it has to be set for that certain application. It's called experience. But that was not the case for me. My "lost tasks" were S@H MBv7, my preferences were set to accept them, and they were still expired rather than resent. And the Windows boxes it happened on do not have a GPU, so that wasn't a factor either. What do you suppose is going on here if tasks aren't being resent? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7033569 With all those resends expiring in about 4 hours, do you think that 'puter is in Panic mode? ;-) Yeah, those look like resends, and the shorties are probably running in Priority mode. Didn't you say your lost tasks happened while the server option to resend them was turned off? Yes, it's right there in Red. That's the idea behind resending lost tasks, instead of setting there waiting weeks to time out when the deadline is reached, they are dealt with immediately. They are either scheduled to be resent as soon as there is room in the cache, or they are immediately expired if the preferences are not set to accept them. In your case it would appear they waited until the deadline was reached. In my case the deadline was still a month away, however, someone enabled 'resend' while my preferences were not set to accept them. Therefore, mine that still had a month on the deadline were immediately Expired as soon as the host contacted the server after the 'resend' option had been enabled. Yes, I'm quite familiar with the rationale behind resending lost tasks, and how it works. NO, my lost tasks did NOT wait until the deadline to be resent, I got the "Not resent - expired" message only a few hours after the original request that assigned them to me. And no, my preferences did not change between the two work requests - my Windows boxes are always set to accept both MB and AP tasks. That's what lead me to the conclusion that you were mistaken, and resends were still turned off. I did not realize that you played with your preferences, and that that could make a difference in how the resend function works. Donald Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired ID: 1664088 ·

TBar Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768	Message 1664127 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 16:09:11 UTC - in response to Message 1664088. I guess I've been fortunate, I've only had a couple of cases of lost tasks when the function was turned off. The only way I knew that's what happened was I got those exact messages in my log file. So, you'll pardon me if I choose not to defer to your expertise..... Well, you can mark this down in the ledger. When a task is lost and you don't have your preferences set to receive that task it will be Expired instead of Resent. The setting 'accept tasks from other applications' doesn't work, it has to be set for that certain application. It's called experience. But that was not the case for me. My "lost tasks" were S@H MBv7, my preferences were set to accept them, and they were still expired rather than resent. And the Windows boxes it happened on do not have a GPU, so that wasn't a factor either. What do you suppose is going on here if tasks aren't being resent? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7033569 With all those resends expiring in about 4 hours, do you think that 'puter is in Panic mode? ;-) Yeah, those look like resends, and the shorties are probably running in Priority mode. Didn't you say your lost tasks happened while the server option to resend them was turned off? Yes, it's right there in Red. That's the idea behind resending lost tasks, instead of setting there waiting weeks to time out when the deadline is reached, they are dealt with immediately. They are either scheduled to be resent as soon as there is room in the cache, or they are immediately expired if the preferences are not set to accept them. In your case it would appear they waited until the deadline was reached. In my case the deadline was still a month away, however, someone enabled 'resend' while my preferences were not set to accept them. Therefore, mine that still had a month on the deadline were immediately Expired as soon as the host contacted the server after the 'resend' option had been enabled. Yes, I'm quite familiar with the rationale behind resending lost tasks, and how it works. NO, my lost tasks did NOT wait until the deadline to be resent, I got the "Not resent - expired" message only a few hours after the original request that assigned them to me. And no, my preferences did not change between the two work requests - my Windows boxes are always set to accept both MB and AP tasks. That's what lead me to the conclusion that you were mistaken, and resends were still turned off. I did not realize that you played with your preferences, and that that could make a difference in how the resend function works. Maybe you should try having a task resent and see how it actually works. Between Beta and Main there must be about a half dozen posts by me explaining to people how to have their tasks resent as something else. Yes, you can have those CPU tasks resent by the server as GPU tasks and otherwise. As long as it's still AP or MB the device can be changed. All you have to do is change the preferences to accept either CPU or GPU tasks then lose the task. That comes in real handy when you are testing new apps and they don't work as expected. Instead of settling for an error because the app doesn't work with a certain setting you can just have the task resent and run it again with a setting that works. It's been done by a number of people for a number of years and works exactly the way I've described. I'm not sure what kind of problem you are having, because the dozens of times I've had tasks resent there wasn't a problem, as long as 'resend lost tasks' was enabled by the server. I suppose you missed all those times I've explained to people how to have a task resent, the posts are still around on these boards. ID: 1664127 ·

Swibby Bear Send message Joined: 1 Aug 01 Posts: 246 Credit: 7,945,093 RAC: 0	Message 1664157 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 17:24:23 UTC Hooray for Matt and the guys. It looks like the servers are back up in normal fashion. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! ID: 1664157 ·

KLiK Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1307 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60	Message 1664193 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 18:35:48 UTC - in response to Message 1664157. Hooray for Matt and the guys. It looks like the servers are back up in normal fashion. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! that great...now I have to put other project on hold, on which I switched over while SETI@home was down! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1664193 ·

Schatten Send message Joined: 12 Oct 02 Posts: 18 Credit: 14,047,388 RAC: 9	Message 1664205 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 19:22:56 UTC Hello and Thank you very much! Great work! :) ID: 1664205 ·

TBar Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768	Message 1664235 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 20:25:28 UTC - in response to Message 1664033. Well, it is turned on, or at least it was 10-Apr-2015 21:50:53 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 2 new tasks 10-Apr-2015 21:50:53 [SETI@home] Resent lost task ap_14no14ab_B2_P0_00387_20150318_06063.wu_0 10-Apr-2015 21:50:53 [SETI@home] Resent lost task ap_29no14ab_B2_P0_00376_20150325_11452.wu_0 I just ran a test on one of my machines to see if it still worked the way it has in the past. I chose to change a few MB Low Angle Range GPU tasks to CPU tasks. I needed CPU tasks on that host anyway. Seems to be working the way it always has, I now have 14 MB CPU tasks; Sat Apr 11 16:07:23 2015 \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] Starting scheduler request Sat Apr 11 16:07:23 2015 \| SETI@home \| Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. Sat Apr 11 16:07:23 2015 \| SETI@home \| Requesting new tasks for CPU Sat Apr 11 16:07:23 2015 \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] CPU work request: 872640.00 seconds; 2.00 devices Sat Apr 11 16:07:23 2015 \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Scheduler request completed: got 14 new tasks Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] Server version 705 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.130_0 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.224_0 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.39_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.45_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.51_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.57_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.63_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.99_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.105_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.123_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.128_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.132_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.138_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Resent lost task 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.144_2 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Project has no tasks available Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| Project requested delay of 303 seconds Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] estimated total CPU task duration: 159855 seconds Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] estimated total AMD/ATI GPU task duration: 0 seconds Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:05:03 Sat Apr 11 16:07:24 2015 \| SETI@home \| [sched_op] Reason: requested by project Sat Apr 11 16:07:26 2015 \| SETI@home \| Started download of 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.130 Sat Apr 11 16:07:26 2015 \| SETI@home \| Started download of 28my12ab.5108.101197.438086664206.12.224 .... Now it's back to asking for GPU AP tasks while the CPUs happily crunch their new tasks. Hopefully Enabling Resend Lost Tasks will help the Bookkeeping problems... ID: 1664235 ·

GTP Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 67 Credit: 137,504,906 RAC: 0	Message 1664248 - Posted: 11 Apr 2015, 20:42:22 UTC I am now getting work to crunch! Thanks for everyone's hard work. All the best, Aaron Lephart TechVelocity.com ID: 1664248 ·

Jan KRO Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Dec 07 Posts: 10 Credit: 4,422,634 RAC: 0	Message 1664301 - Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 0:03:43 UTC - in response to Message 1664248. Some work is trickeling down again, thanks for all you do for the project and to keep us crunching. Keep up the good work. Jan. ID: 1664301 ·

Dave Filipowski Send message Joined: 5 May 14 Posts: 9 Credit: 276,927 RAC: 0	Message 1664323 - Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 2:03:29 UTC - in response to Message 1664301. Ditto! It's running! Yay! My computer was getting bored here in Podunk. I'd even be happy to find a Martian version of I Love Lucy. Now that is being bored. Thanks all! Dave ID: 1664323 ·

Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4	Message 1664669 - Posted: 12 Apr 2015, 20:47:48 UTC - in response to Message 1663120. Thank you however Bought Seti Beta back online. Claggy ID: 1664669 ·

GTP Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 67 Credit: 137,504,906 RAC: 0	Message 1664804 - Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 5:23:50 UTC I got no new work for the past 4 hours. So there is still an issue. All the best, Aaron Lephart ID: 1664804 ·

desperaudio Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 243,547 RAC: 0	Message 1664953 - Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 10:49:16 UTC - in response to Message 1664817. It's problem after problem with SETI nowadays, it was ages ago since it worked OK for more than a couple of days. I think "they" know "we" are getting close. Cheers, - David Vincent. ID: 1664953 ·

Wild6-NJ Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Aug 99 Posts: 43 Credit: 100,336,791 RAC: 140	Message 1665844 - Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 1:26:21 UTC - in response to Message 1664953. Last modified: 16 Apr 2015, 1:28:29 UTC New post by Matt: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77102&postid=1665806#1665806 ID: 1665844 ·

Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3	Message 1694758 - Posted: 23 Jun 2015, 5:07:45 UTC Hi Matt i was looking to see how the data base problems have been working out and weather it has worked but i can only find your last 1 on the 16th April If when you get some spear time any chance you could do a update please , thank you ID: 1694758 ·

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