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Message 1815149 - Posted: 5 Sep 2016, 9:29:46 UTC

Modern Ukraine demonstrate one more uncivilized action: Ukrainian television station Inter set on fire in Kyiv.
http://www.euronews.com/2016/09/05/ukraine-inter-tv-set-on-fire-in-kyiv
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Message 1815163 - Posted: 5 Sep 2016, 12:12:37 UTC - in response to Message 1815149.  
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Modern Ukraine demonstrate one more uncivilized action: Ukrainian television station Inter set on fire in Kyiv.
http://www.euronews.com/2016/09/05/ukraine-inter-tv-set-on-fire-in-kyiv

Uncivilized action?
Perhaps but:
Inter's owner is controversial Ukrainian billionaire, Dmytro Firtash, who faces bribery charges in the United States and who also owes the National Bank of Ukraine $482 million in unpaid loans dating from his ownership of the insolvent Nadra Bank, which cost taxpayers more than $145 million in payouts from the Deposit Guarantee Fund to depositors who lost their money. Firtash has been fighting extradition of the bribery charges from Vienna.
http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/inter-tv-studios-set-ablaze-in-arson-attack-422228.html
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Message 1815688 - Posted: 8 Sep 2016, 4:29:50 UTC

Foreign Policy: Live by the Pen, Die by the Sword.
The war against journalists in Ukraine is getting bloody. What has become clear is that government officials can’t — or won’t — protect journalists.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/06/live-by-the-pen-die-by-the-sword-ukraine-russia-media-war-on-journalism/
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Message 1816868 - Posted: 13 Sep 2016, 4:09:48 UTC

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Message 1816879 - Posted: 13 Sep 2016, 6:12:27 UTC - in response to Message 1816868.  

Ex-president of Georgia M.Saakashvili: 10 Georgian military officers already died at the fronts of the war in Donbass.

Saakashvili is the current Governor of Ukraine's Odessa Oblast.
"People died on the Maidan for the fact that these thieves and crooks entered the parliament, it is a shame, including two Georgians died on the Maidan. It's a shame that these people call themselves the People's Deputies and all are politicians in this country. I hope that this is a temporary situation and it will change, "- Saakashvili said.
He is not the only one to wonder when Ukraine will reform.

It's now two years since the Minsk Protocol was first signed.
No sign of ceasefire so far. On the contrary the war is escalating!
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Message 1816990 - Posted: 14 Sep 2016, 1:15:09 UTC

The separatist leader in eastern Ukraine has announced a unilateral ceasefire starting at midnight on Wednesday.
Alexander Zakharchenko, rebel leader in Donetsk, made the ceasefire announcement in a recorded statement aired on Russian television on Tuesday.
It was the first time that the rebels have announced a unilateral ceasefire.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukrainian-rebel-leader-announces-ceasefire-in-statement-on-russian-tv-a7244681.html
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Message 1817602 - Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 18:09:10 UTC

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Message 1817644 - Posted: 16 Sep 2016, 20:57:12 UTC - in response to Message 1817602.  

Mass riots of illegal amber miners in Western Ukraine:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Frv.npu.gov.ua%2Fru%2Fpublish%2Farticle%2F182658&edit-text=

Ukraine's Rivne region aka the "People's Republic of Amber," is infamously known for the illegal amber mines. The "Klondike", as the locals call them, attract thousands of diggers every day. Working with the regional corrupt police officers, they sell the obtained goods abroad.
http://uatoday.tv/crime/ukraine-declares-full-scale-war-on-amber-mafia-photo-video-687364.html
According to Leontiyuk, a local journalist, mining villages in more remote parts of the region are under such rigid control by miners and armed gangs that the outnumbered and under-equipped police don't even bother entering.
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Message 1818241 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 16:57:32 UTC
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Message 1818272 - Posted: 19 Sep 2016, 19:39:27 UTC - in response to Message 1818241.  

The situation is reminiscent of the old language struggle in Finland where the Fennoman movement in the 19th-century wanted to get rid of the Swedish language during the battle cry: "One language, one thought."
Nationalists have always disliked many languages and many thoughts.

As the author of the article mentions Estonia, it was a the language struggle there in the Soviet period as well.
Russian was the only official language although three quarters of the population spoke Estonian.
From schools to the authorities ...
"Learn the Russian language, or perish".
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Message 1818386 - Posted: 20 Sep 2016, 6:10:41 UTC

Flooder posted disinformation again.
In the reality it was two official languages in the Estonian SSR, it was Estonian language and Russian language.
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Message 1818443 - Posted: 20 Sep 2016, 12:20:28 UTC - in response to Message 1818386.  
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Flooder posted disinformation again.
In the reality it was two official languages in the Estonian SSR, it was Estonian language and Russian language.

You are misinformed.
I know several former Estonians and have been to Estonia where they tell the story about being forced to learn Russian since all teaching was in Russian.
Now Estonia does the same but in reverse.
I can understand why the russian speaking minority are complaining because Estonian and Finnish are considered the most difficult european languages to learn.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.utrikesmagasinet.se%2Fanalyser%2F2016%2Fjuni%2Fryssarna-i-baltikum-under-korstryck%2F&edit-text=
The Baltic states borders to Russia and have a large Russian, or rather Russian-speaking, minorities since the World War II was occupied and incorporated into the Soviet Union. As a result, the Balts were deported to Siberia and Russians of all types moved in, first military and administrators, then engineers, workers and so on, mostly to the capitals and industrial cities in the eastern parts. The Balts were forced to learn Russian, but not many Russians learned the local languages. Still, the Russian language is that most people can and are spoken everywhere in the Baltics.
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Message 1818458 - Posted: 20 Sep 2016, 13:45:17 UTC
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Flooder never recognizes his mistakes, he try to mask his mistakes and fakes by means of further flood.
In the reality it was two official languages in the Estonian SSR, it was Estonian language and Russian language. Two official languages was in all 14 non-Russian republics of USSR (Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan, etc.).
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Message 1818465 - Posted: 20 Sep 2016, 14:17:20 UTC - in response to Message 1818458.  

Flooder never recognizes his mistakes, he try to mask his mistakes and fakes by means of further flood.
In the reality it was two official languages in the Estonian SSR, it was Estonian language and Russian language. Two official languages was in all 14 non-Russian republics of USSR (Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan, etc.).

Still all eduction in Estonia was in Russian.
Thats a fact!
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Message 1818529 - Posted: 20 Sep 2016, 23:57:26 UTC - in response to Message 1818458.  
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Flooder never recognizes his mistakes, he try to mask his mistakes and fakes by means of further flood.
In the reality it was two official languages in the Estonian SSR, it was Estonian language and Russian language. Two official languages was in all 14 non-Russian republics of USSR (Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan, etc.).


Maybe I should ask my Ukrainian colleague (also named Igor)? Or e-mail my former Ukrainian girlfriend? In the meantime, ik's not he said-she said, since Janne has supplied links to support his claims. We could call you "flooder", Igor, but that's probably a bannable offebse. Oh, you didn't know about that? Just like you didn't know you could report complaints? Now, who is misinformed or under-informed? :)
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
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Message 1818531 - Posted: 21 Sep 2016, 0:11:31 UTC - in response to Message 1818529.  

Thank you Sarge, well spoken as usual. I am offended by that posters abusive behavior ..



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Message 1818562 - Posted: 21 Sep 2016, 4:19:12 UTC - in response to Message 1818529.  
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Sarge, of course, please ask your colleague. Maybe he still remember constitution of Ukrainian SSR. And you also can find text of constitution of Ukrainian SSR in internet and see that 2+2=4. All national republics in USSR had TWO official languages or more.

P.S. What links? Maybe you don't understand his point? He wrote "Russian was the only official language although three quarters of the population spoke Estonian" but no one link for it. It's misinformation. He also wrote "Still all eduction in Estonia was in Russian", but no one link for it. It's misinformation also. It was two official languages in Estonia, in official documents, in mass-media (press, TV and radio), in courts, in schools, etc. University education was mainly in Russian, but not exclusive in Russian.
Also you can read this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Soviet_Union

P.P.S. Constitution of Ukrainian SSR - https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%86%D1%96%D1%8F_(%D0%9E%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD)_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%97_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A0_1978_%D1%80.
See paragraphs 103 and 157, for example. Also, you can see that the text of constitution is in Ukrainian language, not in Russian.
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Message 1818581 - Posted: 21 Sep 2016, 6:36:37 UTC
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One more link to modern Estonian document that show janneseti's incompetence:

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...the duration of secondary education for schools teaching in national languages was longer by one year than for Russian schools. So, secondary education in a Russian school was 10 years and in Estonian schools 11 years. In the mid-nineteen-eighties, when change for starting schooling earlier was introduced, from the age of six, it now took 12 years to complete a secondary education in Estonian schools (with one year of pre-school introduced) and 11 years in Russian schools.
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http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED495353.pdf
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Message 1818591 - Posted: 21 Sep 2016, 7:33:45 UTC

I have noticed that this thread is turning into a personal name calling session.

Please remember this is supposed to be a discussion forum.

So discuss the message not the person.

Please no more name calling, and that includes "flooder"

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't automatically make them wrong.

Find reliable evidence to support your view.

Thank you
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Message 1818641 - Posted: 21 Sep 2016, 15:28:39 UTC

The Estonian case was a side note about how Russia use language to oppress subjects.

Now Ukraine (and Estonia) uses the same technique against Russian minorities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine
https://www.rt.com/news/minority-language-law-ukraine-035/

I dont like any of these type of actions.
An estimated 40 percent of the Ukrainian population speaks Russian.
That's almost a majority...
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