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Message 1634109 - Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 15:58:42 UTC - in response to Message 1634107.  
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You may know better than me, but wasn't it Stalin's Practice to Deport Ethnic People's, and Replace them with Ethnic Russians?

From April 1920 to May 1951 it has been estimated that internal forced migrations affected some 6 million people. Of these, some 1 to 1.5 million perished as a result.
To replace them with russians was probably not the goal.
They wanted cheap labor. And the Holodomor happened because they wanted cheap food.
But of course it paved the way for russians who are now living in nations that wasn't part of Russia.
Now Putin are determinated to "save" all these immigrants from the Evil West.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union
It also seems to me that all ethnic groups not beeing russian was affected to this.
Even Swedish and german ethnic Groups in Ukraine where sent to other parts of Soviet for forced labor!
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Message 1634123 - Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 16:35:05 UTC - in response to Message 1634113.  

You may know better than me, but wasn't it Stalin's Practice to Deport Ethnic People's, and Replace them with Ethnic Russians?

From April 1920 to May 1951 it has been estimated that internal forced migrations affected some 6 million people. Of these, some 1 to 1.5 million perished as a result.
To replace them with russians was probably not the goal.
But of course it paved the way for russians who are now living in nations that wasn't part of Russia.
Now Putin are determinated to "save" all these immigrants from the Evil West.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union
It also seems to me that all ethnic groups not beeing russian was afflicted to this.
Even Swedish and german ethnic Groups in Ukraine where sent to other parts of Soviet for forced labor!

Thank you.
Soviet History was not my area of expertise. Just General History Knowledge.

Sweden, Finland and Estonia have lots of common history with both Russia and Ukraine. More than a thousand years of incidents are recorded in our history books. Soviet history is just a small part of it.
Now history seems to be repeating it self.
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Message 1634210 - Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 20:14:11 UTC
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Here is a funny story:)
The council of Ukraine's self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic (LNR) has officially recognized Georgia's breakaway republic of South Ossetia, state news agency RIA Novosti reported Wednesday.
Alexander Kofman, foreign minister of the DNR, told the separatist-run Oplot-TV station Tuesday that the republic would host a summit of states fighting for recognition of their independence "in February or March."
The republic's authorities plan is to invite representatives of the Basque Country, Texas and Venice, among others, he said.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/515072.html
I wonder how Kofman could forgot Scotland and Katalonia...
After all they had referendums last year about it.

DNR The Donetsk People's Republic wants The Lone Star State to separate from the USA:)
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Message 1634256 - Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 21:45:12 UTC - in response to Message 1634210.  

Here is a funny story:)
The council of Ukraine's self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic (LNR) has officially recognized Georgia's breakaway republic of South Ossetia, state news agency RIA Novosti reported Wednesday.
Alexander Kofman, foreign minister of the DNR, told the separatist-run Oplot-TV station Tuesday that the republic would host a summit of states fighting for recognition of their independence "in February or March."
The republic's authorities plan is to invite representatives of the Basque Country, Texas and Venice, among others, he said.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/515072.html
I wonder how Kofman could forgot Scotland and Katalonia...
After all they had referendums last year about it.

DNR The Donetsk People's Republic wants The Lone Star State to separate from the USA:)


Snicker....


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Texas.... pull the other one...

Even *IF* enough people in Texas wanted to succeed, Washington D.C. would never let us go... Too many reasons, not the least of which is that the People in Texas send more tax money TO Washington D.C. than we receive back in 'benefits'. A LOT more. If we left, it would put Washington D.C. even FURTHER in the red than they already are.
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Message 1634296 - Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 22:45:27 UTC - in response to Message 1634256.  
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Here is a funny story:)
The council of Ukraine's self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic (LNR) has officially recognized Georgia's breakaway republic of South Ossetia, state news agency RIA Novosti reported Wednesday.
Alexander Kofman, foreign minister of the DNR, told the separatist-run Oplot-TV station Tuesday that the republic would host a summit of states fighting for recognition of their independence "in February or March."
The republic's authorities plan is to invite representatives of the Basque Country, Texas and Venice, among others, he said.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/515072.html
I wonder how Kofman could forgot Scotland and Katalonia...
After all they had referendums last year about it.
DNR The Donetsk People's Republic wants The Lone Star State to separate from the USA:)

Snicker....
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Texas.... pull the other one...
Even *IF* enough people in Texas wanted to succeed, Washington D.C. would never let us go... Too many reasons, not the least of which is that the People in Texas send more tax money TO Washington D.C. than we receive back in 'benefits'. A LOT more. If we left, it would put Washington D.C. even FURTHER in the red than they already are.

They also forgot to mention a seperatist movement in Sweden.
The Republic of Jämtland was founded in 1963 (recalling the former 10th-century republic) in reaction to emigration from the county.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Jamtland
Republic uniqueness is manifested in its own flag, in the "language" Jämska (which has its origin in the different dialects spoken in the region) when the president (currently Ewert Ljusberg) makes an appearance, as well as Jämtlands Republican Army, JRA , which is a travesty of the IRA. The president has appointed a ministry where notables Jämtar and Härjedalingar such as Bodil Malmsten, Kim Anderzon, Rolf Lassgård and Kjell Albin Abrahamson received items.

Here is the former president Melvyn "Bobo" Slacke (Moltas Eriksson) singing:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5bGaR2I4bI
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Message 1634516 - Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 12:15:53 UTC
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Russian diplomacy...
Strasbourg – The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) has reasserted that the illegal annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation is a gross violation of international law and urged Russia to immediately return it back to Ukraine.

PACE has decided to ratify the credentials of the Russian delegation, citing the need to “foster dialogue”, but at the same time has decided to suspend its voting rights and its right to be represented in the Assembly’s leading bodies
http://www.assembly.coe.int/nw/xml/News/News-View-EN.asp?newsid=5410&lang=2&cat=8

So Russia decides to leave PACE until the end of the year.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fswedish.ruvr.ru%2Fnews%2F2015_01_28%2FRyssland-lamnar-PACE-4811%2F&edit-text=

A positive thing though:)
Currently, the Nordic tourists can stay in the Crimea for 30 days without a visa!
https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fswedish.ruvr.ru%2F2015_01_28%2FKrim-oppet-for-finnar-6814%2F
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Message 1634550 - Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 15:18:25 UTC
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Message 1634551 - Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 15:23:06 UTC

Russians:)

On major Russian TV channel Rossiya 24: the flag of Russia flying from Donetsk airport. NOT the flag of "Novorossiya" or "DNR":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1pPnSBCwkc&feature=youtu.be

New Russian pop song "My Putin" sung by "Mashani" with some over-explicit flag symbolism:
http://youtu.be/-v6Jw9rsWCE
Here is the lyrics in english:)
http://mashany.ru/moj-putin/
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Message 1634559 - Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 15:47:16 UTC - in response to Message 1634551.  

New Russian pop song "My Putin" sung by "Mashani" with some over-explicit flag symbolism:

She show a good example of trolling. :) Thanks for url.
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Message 1634593 - Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 18:19:43 UTC
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Russian military planes flying near UK airspace caused "disruption to civil aviation" on Wednesday, the UK Foreign Office said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31049952?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
Do we now have to be worried when we are flying in Europe?
This is not the first time that Russian air force enters civilian flight corridors.
Sooner or later...

Reminds me of an air show when Russia had a chicken race between two fighter jets.
They crashed. However no one was injured. One of pilots lit a cigarette when he walked away from the wreck.
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Message 1634618 - Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 19:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 1634550.  

Sometimes they tell the truth. :)
Viktor Muzhenko (Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) - "At present time we do not have fight with the divisions of regular Russian army".
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=uk&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.5.ua%2Fato-na-shodi%2Fmyjenko-ykrajna-ne-maye-dokaziv-masovoj-ychasti-zbroinih-sil-rf-y-boyah-na-donbasi-68687.html
http://www.5.ua/ato-na-shodi/myjenko-ykrajna-ne-maye-dokaziv-masovoj-ychasti-zbroinih-sil-rf-y-boyah-na-donbasi-68687.html

Did you read the link you posted?
Viktor Muzhenko doesn't mention divisions of regular Russian army.
Only
To date, we have only the facts of participation of individual soldiers of the armed forces of RUSSIA, citizens of the RUSSIAN FEDERATION as part of the illegal armed formations in combat.

I dont think you know very much about military organisation.
From the top: Army. Division. Brigade. Battalion.
That Russian Battalions like Vostok are in Ukraine cannot be denied.
Mostly Cossacks and veterans from Grozny.
But there are also battalions with many conscripts from Russia.
Conscripts rarely volentary fight on foreign soil.
Russia has general conscription for men. The basic course lasts 12 months for students and 24 months for the other. Desertings are very common because of the beatings, extortion and malnutrition.
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Message 1634872 - Posted: 30 Jan 2015, 5:09:41 UTC - in response to Message 1634618.  
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Did you read the link you posted?


And you, did you read the link I posted?
In the very poor computer translation - "To date, we have only the facts of participation of individual soldiers of the armed forces of RUSSIA, citizens of the RUSSIAN FEDERATION as part of the illegal armed formations in combat. Fighting with the regular Russian army units to date, we do not maintain".

It was more correct translation in my post. You can try to translate it yourself. Division - it's not only the military formation typically consisting of 10,000 to 20,000 troops but a formation also. OK, if you want, you can read "formations" or "army units" in place of "divisions". "At present time we do not have fight with the army units of regular Russian army".
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Message 1634983 - Posted: 30 Jan 2015, 11:45:42 UTC - in response to Message 1634872.  
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Did you read the link you posted?


And you, did you read the link I posted?
In the very poor computer translation - "To date, we have only the facts of participation of individual soldiers of the armed forces of RUSSIA, citizens of the RUSSIAN FEDERATION as part of the illegal armed formations in combat. Fighting with the regular Russian army units to date, we do not maintain".

It was more correct translation in my post. You can try to translate it yourself. Division - it's not only the military formation typically consisting of 10,000 to 20,000 troops but a formation also. OK, if you want, you can read "formations" or "army units" in place of "divisions". "At present time we do not have fight with the army units of regular Russian army".

Perhaps "Soldiers of the Russian regular army" is a better term:)

Another term is Cargo 200 Russian Груз 200 casualties for transportation in the Russian military.
Here is some of them...
http://gruz200.net/armiya_rossii

https://www.facebook.com/RussianRepatriation
The OSCE monitors said in one case a vehicle marked "Cargo 200" - Russia's military code for soldiers killed in action - crossed from Russia into Ukraine and later returned.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30039004

In fact the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation from 18.08.2014 N 571
on awarding order of Suvorov 76 assault Guards red banner Chernihiv, Chernihiv Division is the official documentary proof that the military forces of the Russian Federation is unleashed and wage war against Ukraine on its territory.

http://echo.msk.ru/blog/evasiljeva/1386700-echo/
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Message 1635022 - Posted: 30 Jan 2015, 14:42:11 UTC - in response to Message 1635011.  
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Igor...
If you would just acknowledged the truth of what is, and will,happen: I would have some respect for you.
Just admit it, and we will continue this Thread regarding the aftermath of Russian Imperialism.
Your continually insisting that 2 + 2 = 5, is getting boring.

It is now difficult in Russia to find the truth.
There media distorts Everything and if they cannot distort they deny.
They also have paid Internet Trolls to help Putin.
https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sobaka.ru%2Fcity%2Fcity%2F32942%2F
That seems to be the same in Kazkhstan.
However in Belarus they have started "de-russiaficate" the country.
For example teaching of the subjects history and geography will now be in Belarusian.
Let us hope that their media are better than Russia's.

Igor:)
Here is a docu from BBC how Russian voluntaries are recruited to fight in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4gr6yNVFO8
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Message 1635680 - Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 13:10:05 UTC
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Meet the Night Wolves -- Putin's Hell's Angels:)
This Bike Show was performed two years before so called Ukrainian Revolution. The words about 'fascist Maidan' from the dramatic poem at the beginning of the performance proved prophetic! A burning desire of the bikers to see the Crimea and Sevastopol to be re-united with mother Russia has also found its fulfilment.
English subtitles:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOcWN46TUEY
Funny that they ride Harley Davidsons, iconic American motorcycles:)
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Message 1635696 - Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 14:48:42 UTC - in response to Message 1635011.  

Your continually insisting that 2 + 2 = 5, is getting boring.


Your fantasy is wide, but it's your fantasy only. I post info from the Ukrainian and Western sources. If it irritate you - it's your problem only.
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Message 1635701 - Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 15:08:16 UTC - in response to Message 1634983.  

The OSCE monitors said in one case a vehicle marked "Cargo 200" - Russia's military code for soldiers killed in action - crossed from Russia into Ukraine and later returned.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30039004


Without any photos, of course. LOL.

In fact the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation from 18.08.2014 N 571[quote]on awarding order of Suvorov 76 assault Guards red banner Chernihiv, Chernihiv Division is the official documentary proof that the military forces of the Russian Federation is unleashed and wage war against Ukraine on its territory.
http://echo.msk.ru/blog/evasiljeva/1386700-echo/


In fact, if you will read fantasy of Elena Vasilyeva regularly, you can took mental disease only. For example, she wrote that the Russian mercenaries sell Ukrainian POWs as slaves to the Caucasus -
http://www.unian.net/politics/1029387-rossiyskie-naemniki-prodali-v-rabstvo-v-chechnyu-i-adyigeyu-minimum-8-ukrainskih-voennyih-pravozaschitnitsa.html
and the Russian army is ready to begin putsch against the Putin -
http://www.unian.net/world/1015823-voennyie-rf-gotovyi-podnyat-vosstanie-protiv-putina-pravozaschitnitsa.html
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Message 1635709 - Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 15:23:20 UTC

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Poltava didn't recognize Russia as an aggressor and the militants as a terrorists

The People's Deputy of Ukraine Sergey Kaplin reported that the city council of Poltava didn't support the statement of the Verkhovna Rada for recognition of Russia by the state aggressor. About it he writes on Facebook. "Today the city council of Poltava voted for the decision to recognize "LNR" and "DNR" as the terrorist organizations, and Russia - an aggressor. Result - the decision isn't supported! Even the mayor voted against it. I already directed the appeal to SBU and GPU with the requirement to initiate proceedings against the Poltava separatists!", - Kaplin writes.
We will remind, the decision on recognition of Russia as an aggressor, wasn't supported earlier by the authorities of Mariupol.
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http://fakty.ictv.ua/ru/index/read-news/id/1541156
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Message 1635720 - Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 15:57:32 UTC

Ukraine Exposed: Kiev's Authoritarianism - Can the West continue to ignore the Kiev government's disturbing behavior?
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ukraine-exposed-kievs-authoritarianism-12151
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Message 1635722 - Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 16:05:12 UTC - in response to Message 1635701.  

In fact, if you will read fantasy of Elena Vasilyeva regularly, you can took mental disease only. For example, she wrote that the Russian mercenaries sell Ukrainian POWs as slaves to the Caucasus -
http://www.unian.net/politics/1029387-rossiyskie-naemniki-prodali-v-rabstvo-v-chechnyu-i-adyigeyu-minimum-8-ukrainskih-voennyih-pravozaschitnitsa.html
and the Russian army is ready to begin putsch against the Putin -
http://www.unian.net/world/1015823-voennyie-rf-gotovyi-podnyat-vosstanie-protiv-putina-pravozaschitnitsa.html

Well her statements are odd sometimes:)
But does it change the facts that Russian Soldiers are dying in Ukraine right now?
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