When they have served their time, they have served their time. Re-integrate them into society. And guess what, it works.

Guess what, it doesn't work.
A former criminal applying for an employment doesn't get any jobs.
So in a sense all criminals get a life sentence.

When they have served their time, they have served their time. Re-integrate them into society. And guess what, it works.

Guess what, it doesn't work.
A former criminal applying for an employment doesn't get any jobs.
So in a sense all criminals get a life sentence.

http://bantheboxcampaign.org/

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& the rule of law says that if convicted you serve time in prison. What about the victim?

Ah yes, the standard answer when you call people on their populist rhetoric, "what about the victim". Justice is not about the victim, its about the guy having broken societies rules. Therefor, justice is societies answer to those people. Its not to be done in the name of the victim, its to be done in the name of us as a society. Now if you want your sole response to every slight to be brutal vengeance, then clearly the centuries of human progress have been wasted on you. You have not passed beyond the level of mob justice.

Damn, even the Catholic church is more progressive than you on this point.

Or what about when the prisons are full or like this country, close them down? Put the criminals/killers back into society?

When they have served their time, they have served their time. Re-integrate them into society. And guess what, it works. Justice systems that put an emphasis on reintegrating convicts into society show a clear reduction in people getting caught again.

First of all, 'take em out and hang em' was not a lynching... It WAS the rule of law... what the judges used to frequently say after the jury returned a guilty verdict in a murder trial.

The 'assuming a murderer survives multiple police officers emptying their clips into them?' is what happens, frequently, when the perp does not cooperate and obey the police when the police try to arrest the perp for murder.

Neither one is vigilante justice, but the RULE OF LAW.

Replying to you,

Sirus B wrote:

Get your head out of those books, step outside & smell the roses.

In light of your statements about re-integration of criminals into society and compassion and understanding of the criminals, I might amend Sirus B's statement to

Get your head out of those books, step outside, and likely get mugged.

The functions of 'prison':


1. Most important: Protection of society from criminals.
2. Punishment of the criminals.
3. Distant third place: rehabilitation of the criminals.

Now then, the US 'Criminal Justice System' has for a few decades focused on, as you advocate, compassion for and the rights of criminals, and the rehabilitation of criminals and their reintegration into society.

As a RESULT, we get this schizz:

ADVANCE FOR RELEASE AT 10 A.M. EDT Bureau of Justice Statistics
TUESDAY, APRIL 22, 2014 Contact: Kara McCarthy (202) 307-1241
HTTP://WWW.BJS.GOV/ After hours: (202) 598-9320

3 IN 4 FORMER PRISONERS IN 30 STATES ARRESTED WITHIN 5 YEARS OF RELEASE

WASHINGTON – An estimated two-thirds (68 percent) of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of release from prison, and three-quarters (77 percent) were arrested within five years, the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today.

More than a third (37 percent) of prisoners who were arrested within five years of release were arrested within the first six months after release, with more than half (57 percent) arrested by the end of the first year.

These findings are based on a BJS data collection, Recidivism of State Prisoners Released in 2005, which tracked a sample of former prison inmates from 30 states for five years following release in 2005.
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source:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/rprts05p0510pr.cfm

Rehabilitation & reintegration into society of criminals DOES NOT WORK at all in the majority of cases.

Progressiveism is an evil blight. Justice must be swift, certain, and harsh if it is to effectively deter people from becoming criminals.

When they have served their time, they have served their time. Re-integrate them into society. And guess what, it works.

Guess what, it doesn't work.
A former criminal applying for an employment doesn't get any jobs.
So in a sense all criminals get a life sentence.

And here in the US they get another crack at doing the same violent behaviour that sent them to prison in the first place. There are some idiots who wont or cant change the way the act in society. So they need to be locked away for our own welfare. They made their own bed, Let them lie in it untill they die.

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Old James

When they have served their time, they have served their time. Re-integrate them into society. And guess what, it works.

Guess what, it doesn't work.
A former criminal applying for an employment doesn't get any jobs.
So in a sense all criminals get a life sentence.

http://bantheboxcampaign.org/

Here it is KRIS
http://kris.a.se/in-english-2/

James do you really mean this?

They made their own bed, Let them lie in it untill they die

Justice must be swift, certain, and harsh if it is to effectively deter people from becoming criminals.

That doesn't work either.

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When they have served their time, they have served their time. Re-integrate them into society. And guess what, it works.

Guess what, it doesn't work.
A former criminal applying for an employment doesn't get any jobs.
So in a sense all criminals get a life sentence.

http://bantheboxcampaign.org/

Here it is KRIS
http://kris.a.se/in-english-2/

James do you really mean this?

They made their own bed, Let them lie in it untill they die

We have a saying, Dont do the crime if you cant do the time.

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Old James

When they have served their time, they have served their time. Re-integrate them into society. And guess what, it works.

Guess what, it doesn't work.
A former criminal applying for an employment doesn't get any jobs.
So in a sense all criminals get a life sentence.

http://bantheboxcampaign.org/

Here it is KRIS
http://kris.a.se/in-english-2/
James do you really mean this?

They made their own bed, Let them lie in it untill they die

We have a saying, Dont do the crime if you cant do the time.

We have sayings here as well :)
"As you make your bed so you have to lie down"
But if you have done your time why do you have to get punished some more?
Make no sense to me.

& the rule of law says that if convicted you serve time in prison. What about the victim?

Ah yes, the standard answer when you call people on their populist rhetoric, "what about the victim". Justice is not about the victim, its about the guy having broken societies rules. Therefor, justice is societies answer to those people. Its not to be done in the name of the victim, its to be done in the name of us as a society. Now if you want your sole response to every slight to be brutal vengeance, then clearly the centuries of human progress have been wasted on you. You have not passed beyond the level of mob justice.

Damn, even the Catholic church is more progressive than you on this point.

Or what about when the prisons are full or like this country, close them down? Put the criminals/killers back into society?

When they have served their time, they have served their time. Re-integrate them into society. And guess what, it works. Justice systems that put an emphasis on reintegrating convicts into society show a clear reduction in people getting caught again.

First of all, 'take em out and hang em' was not a lynching... It WAS the rule of law... what the judges used to frequently say after the jury returned a guilty verdict in a murder trial.

The 'assuming a murderer survives multiple police officers emptying their clips into them?' is what happens, frequently, when the perp does not cooperate and obey the police when the police try to arrest the perp for murder.

Neither one is vigilante justice, but the RULE OF LAW.

Replying to you,

Sirus B wrote:

Get your head out of those books, step outside & smell the roses.

In light of your statements about re-integration of criminals into society and compassion and understanding of the criminals, I might amend Sirus B's statement to

Get your head out of those books, step outside, and likely get mugged.

The functions of 'prison':


1. Most important: Protection of society from criminals.
2. Punishment of the criminals.
3. Distant third place: rehabilitation of the criminals.

Now then, the US 'Criminal Justice System' has for a few decades focused on, as you advocate, compassion for and the rights of criminals, and the rehabilitation of criminals and their reintegration into society.

As a RESULT, we get this schizz:

ADVANCE FOR RELEASE AT 10 A.M. EDT Bureau of Justice Statistics
TUESDAY, APRIL 22, 2014 Contact: Kara McCarthy (202) 307-1241
HTTP://WWW.BJS.GOV/ After hours: (202) 598-9320

3 IN 4 FORMER PRISONERS IN 30 STATES ARRESTED WITHIN 5 YEARS OF RELEASE

WASHINGTON – An estimated two-thirds (68 percent) of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of release from prison, and three-quarters (77 percent) were arrested within five years, the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today.

More than a third (37 percent) of prisoners who were arrested within five years of release were arrested within the first six months after release, with more than half (57 percent) arrested by the end of the first year.

These findings are based on a BJS data collection, Recidivism of State Prisoners Released in 2005, which tracked a sample of former prison inmates from 30 states for five years following release in 2005.
.
.
.

source:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/rprts05p0510pr.cfm

Rehabilitation & reintegration into society of criminals DOES NOT WORK at all in the majority of cases.

Progressiveism is an evil blight. Justice must be swift, certain, and harsh if it is to effectively deter people from becoming criminals.

Might try:
1. Most important: rehabilitation of the criminals.
2. Protection of society from criminals.
3. Distant third place: Punishment of the criminals.

I suspect that if you teach the criminals how to earn a honest living, they might make an honest living, but if you continue to teach them how to be criminals by having them rot and teach each other their crafts you are going to get massive recidivism.

Of course the prison guards would not like this because it would put more of them out of work.

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The Glass Is Not Half Empty Nor Full. The Glass 'Is' TWICE AS BIG AS 'IT' NEEDS TO BE.

Dr. HO HUM and Screaming Tree Can 'Prove' 'It'. They've Asked Climate Scientists, and 'They' 'Said' 'So'. HO! HA! and A heeeheeeheee.

Plus, OEbolaWormeee Said So.

Sweetness is A BIG GLASS.

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Guess what, it doesn't work.
A former criminal applying for an employment doesn't get any jobs.
So in a sense all criminals get a life sentence.

Thats easily solved through government sponsor programs that would encourage people to hire ex cons.

And again, re offender rates drop with prisoners that go through a system that focuses on rehabilitation. So clearly it does work.

[Neither one is vigilante justice, but the RULE OF LAW.

I find it odd that your police has less strict rules on the use of deadly force than your military occupying a foreign land. Rule of law? Sure, its all legal. But non the less barbaric.

Get your head out of those books, step outside, and likely get mugged.

You should come to the Netherlands then. Chance of getting mugged? Pretty damn low.

The functions of 'prison':


1. Most important: Protection of society from criminals.
2. Punishment of the criminals.
3. Distant third place: rehabilitation of the criminals.

What good will that do? Don't you know that punishment like that doesn't teach people not to commit a crime. It teaches them not to get caught when committing a crime. And since you put them under the same roof as hundreds of other criminals, you can be sure that once they get out, they have learned a thing or two about not getting caught.

Look its simple. Your justice system is the worst in the world. Literally the worst. The US is responsible for 25% of the worlds prison population. 1 in 4 prisoners on this planet ARE AMERICAN. You lock more people away than China, Iran or Russia. So, you'll excuse me if I say that the US approach to 'justice' is a farce and the perfect example of how to never ever do it.

Guess what, it doesn't work.
A former criminal applying for an employment doesn't get any jobs.
So in a sense all criminals get a life sentence.

Thats easily solved through government sponsor programs that would encourage people to hire ex cons.
And again, re offender rates drop with prisoners that go through a system that focuses on rehabilitation. So clearly it does work.

That doesn't work either.
What job will the ex con have?
There are not any jobs available for us non convicted!

And sponsor criminals:(
We then will have hoards of criminals from former Soviet earning more then they do in their own countries!
"Wellfare" in Romania is 20 euros a month!

I forgot. They could become Members of the Parlaiment.
Many seats are available in SD Sverigedemokraterna.
SD, a neo-nazi and xenophobic party, already have some ex cons!

Sorry Europe. Your 'Superiority' is an Historical European Fantasy.

Sorry America, but if it wasn't for us, you wouldn't even exist.

That doesn't work either.
What job will the ex con have?
There are not any jobs available for us non convicted!

That would depend on their skill level no wouldn't it. And don't be silly. There aren't that many criminals.

If it wasn't for the East African's and Neanderthals: You wouldn't either.

Your Post confirms my thoughts.

More like Greeks, Romans and Ottomans.

That doesn't work either.
What job will the ex con have?
There are not any jobs available for us non convicted!

That would depend on their skill level no wouldn't it. And don't be silly. There aren't that many criminals.

For heavens sake.
Why should you hire a criminal?
Even if it's cheap for the Company.
But taxpayers have to pay for them.

If it wasn't for the East African's and Neanderthals: You wouldn't either.

Your Post confirms my thoughts.

More like Greeks, Romans and Ottomans.

I'm probably none of them.
So where do I come from?

For heavens sake.
Why should you hire a criminal?
Even if it's cheap for the Company.
But taxpayers have to pay for them.

Why shouldn't you? Why can't a criminal be a valuable employee? Because he made some really bad decisions in the past? Why judge someone on what he did in the past rather than what he can do for you now?

WOW!!!

You mean we are Superior to you!

YOU advanced from the Greeks, Romans and Ottomans.

Therefore... We advanced from YOU!

Please bow before YOUR Superior's.

You'd have a point if we had never advanced beyond the 18th century. We did. We are superior to no one, but no one is superior to us as well.