Evil behavior?

Putin against Russian children
Putin's police against women
Putin and his chechen killers
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Throwing a lemon on a police, 5 years sentence.
Killing a man, 5 years sentence.
Putting a woman in a cars trunk, no sentence.

Evil actions are known to be quite illogical...

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This morning, I remembered Genevieve Lhermitte, a Belgian housewife who killed her five children, very sad story:( That woman must've been born evil. How could she have cold bloodedly killed her five children otherwise??


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genevieve_Lhermitte

She even sued her shrink, bad bad woman...

After being sentenced to life imprisonment, Lhermitte filed a lawsuit seeking €3m in damages against her psychiatrist, Diderik Veldekens. She said that had her psychiatrist rushed to see her while she was in her disturbed state, the crime would not have been committed. Lhermitte wanted to “secure recognition of the prejudice genuinely suffered” due to the psychiatrist’s alleged inaction.[16] During the trial, Veldekens reported meeting with Lhermitte after a first alarming letter, but couldn't meet with her on February 13, 2007 due to his full schedule.[17] In December 2011, the case was dismissed against Veldekens. The court ruled that the criminal charges against the psychiatrist were "irrelevant."[18]

It looks like the woman had serious mental health problems rather than being "evil". She should have been sent to a psychiatric facility rather than prison as she wasn't responsible for her actions.

A very sad story all round.

But still her mind was clear enough to be able to sue her shrink, strange... She clearly knew what she was doing and was also conscious about it.

Filing a lawsuit against someone does not indicate a clear mind. The current largest lawsuit in history is a man asking for $2 Undecillion (that's $2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) after being bitten by a dog and having his photo taken without his permission. Crazy people can and do file frivolous lawsuits. It does not mean they are of clear and conscious mind. It merely means that everyone has a right to file suit and have their grievances heard, including those with mental illness.

This morning, I remembered Genevieve Lhermitte, a Belgian housewife who killed her five children, very sad story:( That woman must've been born evil. How could she have cold bloodedly killed her five children otherwise??


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genevieve_Lhermitte

She even sued her shrink, bad bad woman...

After being sentenced to life imprisonment, Lhermitte filed a lawsuit seeking €3m in damages against her psychiatrist, Diderik Veldekens. She said that had her psychiatrist rushed to see her while she was in her disturbed state, the crime would not have been committed. Lhermitte wanted to “secure recognition of the prejudice genuinely suffered” due to the psychiatrist’s alleged inaction.[16] During the trial, Veldekens reported meeting with Lhermitte after a first alarming letter, but couldn't meet with her on February 13, 2007 due to his full schedule.[17] In December 2011, the case was dismissed against Veldekens. The court ruled that the criminal charges against the psychiatrist were "irrelevant."[18]

It looks like the woman had serious mental health problems rather than being "evil". She should have been sent to a psychiatric facility rather than prison as she wasn't responsible for her actions.

A very sad story all round.

But still her mind was clear enough to be able to sue her shrink, strange... She clearly knew what she was doing and was also conscious about it.

Filing a lawsuit against someone does not indicate a clear mind. The current largest lawsuit in history is a man asking for $2 Undecillion (that's $2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) after being bitten by a dog and having his photo taken without his permission. Crazy people can and do file frivolous lawsuits. It does not mean they are of clear and conscious mind. It merely means that everyone has a right to file suit and have their grievances heard, including those with mental illness.

This is the story how the crime happened:

On February 28, 2007, Moqadem was expected to return from a trip to Morocco to visit his family. Lhermitte took her eldest daughter Yasmin to a dermatology appointment. After picking up the rest of her children from school and preparing lunch for them, Lhermitte heard a voice tell her, "the machine is running." [5] Lhermitte mailed two letters: a letter with jewelry for her sisters, and the other letter to her friend Valerie. In the letter to Valerie, she called Dr. Michel Scharr "a rotten bastard" who "stole" the intimacy between herself, her husband, and her children.[3] She also accused her husband of being "deaf" and "blind" to her concerns regarding Dr. Scharr.[5][6] After mailing the letters, she went to a grocery store and slipped two knives into her shopping bag.[2][6]

Lhermitte told investigators that, when she returned, she hid the knives in a drawer and called over her youngest daughter Mina while the other children were watching Spy Kids 3.[3] Lhermitte tried to strangle Mina, but when the child struggled Lhermitte resorted to slashing her throat with one of the stolen knives, all while speaking comforting words and apologizing to the child.[6] Medhi was the next to be killed, the youngest and the only son. When her attempts to strangle her child again failed, Lhermitte cut Medhi's throat and washed the knife afterward in the bathroom sink.[5][6]

According to her account, Lhermitte then told daughter Myriam that she had a surprise for her in the office. When Myriam entered the office, Lhermitte told her to sit on a chair and wear a blue handkerchief over her eyes. Once Myriam was seated, Lhermitte took a marble plaque she found nearby and smashed it over Myriam's head, and then cut her throat.[2][6] Nora, who was allegedly Dr. Schaar's favorite goddaughter, was asked to sit in a chair while Lhermitte slit her throat from behind. After Nora had been killed, Lhermitte wrote the letters "JUD" on the bathroom mirror in Nora's blood, and later stated that she had intended to spell the name "Judas."[7][8]

Lhermitte's last victim was her eldest daughter, Yasmin. The mother called over Yasmin and told her she had a surprise for her, just like she had done with Myriam. Lhermitte attacked Yasmin from behind as she entered the office, but Yasmin was able to dodge the knife by diving to the ground. After a struggle in which Yasmin suffered multiple stab wounds, Lhermitte stabbed her in the back and slashed her throat.[2][3] With her children dead, Lhermitte then attempted to kill herself by falling on her knife. When she realized that the wound would not be fatal, she wrote "call the police" in red marker on her door and called emergency services to the house.[2][5] Investigators found the four children tucked in their beds, some with stuffed toys in their arms.[2]

She knew exactly what she did and was completely accountable for her deeds. That woman is an example of pure evil imo People who are really mentally ill wouldn't come up with such an evil plan, they would maybe come up with it but simply wouldn't be able to effectuate it.

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She knew exactly what she did and was completely accountable for her deeds. That woman is an example of pure evil imo People who are really mentally ill wouldn't come up with such an evil plan, they would maybe come up with it but simply wouldn't be able to effectuate it.

I'm sorry, but how is that women sane? She was seeing a psychologist and she heard voices. I would guess she was a paranoid schizophrenic, though obviously I'm not in a position to judge (and neither are you for that matter).

The question is not whether she was sane or insane, because its pretty obvious she was insane at that moment. The real question is whether she can be held accountable during her insanity. Plenty of people who are insane still know the difference between right and wrong. They might hear voices that are not there, but that doesn't mean they are unable to distinguish right from wrong, nor does it mean that at that moment they are so completely insane that they lose all contact with reality. And that is something only the psychologists that examined her can determine, and no one else.

As for insanity and being able to execute a relatively complex plan, those two are unrelated.

She knew exactly what she did and was completely accountable for her deeds. That woman is an example of pure evil imo People who are really mentally ill wouldn't come up with such an evil plan, they would maybe come up with it but simply wouldn't be able to effectuate it.

I'm sorry, but how is that women sane? She was seeing a psychologist and she heard voices. I would guess she was a paranoid schizophrenic, though obviously I'm not in a position to judge (and neither are you for that matter).

The question is not whether she was sane or insane, because its pretty obvious she was insane at that moment. The real question is whether she can be held accountable during her insanity. Plenty of people who are insane still know the difference between right and wrong. They might hear voices that are not there, but that doesn't mean they are unable to distinguish right from wrong, nor does it mean that at that moment they are so completely insane that they lose all contact with reality. And that is something only the psychologists that examined her can determine, and no one else.

As for insanity and being able to execute a relatively complex plan, those two are unrelated.

Unrelated?? We have a perfect example here of a complex plan, being executed by an insane person!!

I think I am completely entitled to judge this woman btw (cfr. the thread title)

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She knew exactly what she did and was completely accountable for her deeds. That woman is an example of pure evil imo People who are really mentally ill wouldn't come up with such an evil plan, they would maybe come up with it but simply wouldn't be able to effectuate it.

I'm sorry, but how is that women sane? She was seeing a psychologist and she heard voices. I would guess she was a paranoid schizophrenic, though obviously I'm not in a position to judge (and neither are you for that matter).

The question is not whether she was sane or insane, because its pretty obvious she was insane at that moment. The real question is whether she can be held accountable during her insanity. Plenty of people who are insane still know the difference between right and wrong. They might hear voices that are not there, but that doesn't mean they are unable to distinguish right from wrong, nor does it mean that at that moment they are so completely insane that they lose all contact with reality. And that is something only the psychologists that examined her can determine, and no one else.

As for insanity and being able to execute a relatively complex plan, those two are unrelated.

But she knew how laws works and therefore could tell the difference by right and wrong.

Unrelated?? We have a perfect example here of a complex plan, being executed by an insane person!!

I think I am completely entitled to judge this woman btw (cfr. the thread title)

Unrelated as in an insane person can come up with a complex plan and follow up on it but there is an equal chance that they are unable to do so.

Also, entitled to judge? Yes, sure, you live in a free country, you can judge whoever you want. But that doesn't mean your judgement has any relevance or value. Sorry, but unless you have actually talked to this women and examined her mental state, your judgement is based on preconceptions, incomplete data and assumptions. It has no value.

But she knew how laws works and therefore could tell the difference by right and wrong.

How do you mean 'she knew how the law worked'?

Unrelated?? We have a perfect example here of a complex plan, being executed by an insane person!!

I think I am completely entitled to judge this woman btw (cfr. the thread title)

Unrelated as in an insane person can come up with a complex plan and follow up on it but there is an equal chance that they are unable to do so.

Also, entitled to judge? Yes, sure, you live in a free country, you can judge whoever you want. But that doesn't mean your judgement has any relevance or value. Sorry, but unless you have actually talked to this women and examined her mental state, your judgement is based on preconceptions, incomplete data and assumptions. It has no value.

She was able, period. We were talking about this case, weren't we?

Now we all know your standpoint on my judgement, thanx for that Michiel:)

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But she knew how laws works and therefore could tell the difference by right and wrong.

How do you mean 'she knew how the law worked'?

She was able to file a lawsuit.
I dont know how to do that:)

She also chooses civil case instead of accusing the psychiatrist of crime.
A court would then probably take up the case in a trial.

She knew exactly what she did and was completely accountable for her deeds. That woman is an example of pure evil imo People who are really mentally ill wouldn't come up with such an evil plan, they would maybe come up with it but simply wouldn't be able to effectuate it.

I used to work for a nursing home that specialized in mental illness for a total of 11 years. During my time there I observed many who were not only very capable of meticulously planning a very cunning scheme, but who also appeared to have the presence of mind to enact upon them. This is one of the many common misconceptions the general public has about the mentally unhealthy. The mere fact of what they plan to do indicates their unwellness. The fact that they can execute upon it indicates a determined person. The determination to execute should not be confused with knowing what they are doing is wrong, or that they are of sound mind and body.

But she knew how laws works and therefore could tell the difference by right and wrong.

How do you mean 'she knew how the law worked'?

She was able to file a lawsuit.
I dont know how to do that:)

I didn't know how to file a lawsuit either until I talked to a lawyer about a grievance I had. It doesn't take much to look up stuff on the internet either.

She also chooses civil case instead of accusing the psychiatrist of crime.
A court would then probably take up the case in a trial.

Likely because she was told the type of grievance she had could only be filed as a civil suit, just as I was told even though I felt the person I was suing was a criminal.

Again, if she sought legal counsel, they are going to ask her lots of questions about her case and advise the best way forward if they think she has a case. There are some lawyers out there who will do anything to make a buck, or a name for themselves, and will ill-advise a client if they think their debate skills are good enough to win in court.

None of this indicates a level of self awareness that what they are doing is wrong, or any indication of sanity.

She knew exactly what she did and was completely accountable for her deeds. That woman is an example of pure evil imo People who are really mentally ill wouldn't come up with such an evil plan, they would maybe come up with it but simply wouldn't be able to effectuate it.

I used to work for a nursing home that specialized in mental illness for a total of 11 years. During my time there I observed many who were not only very capable of meticulously planning a very cunning scheme, but who also appeared to have the presence of mind to enact upon them. This is one of the many common misconceptions the general public has about the mentally unhealthy. The mere fact of what they plan to do indicates their unwellness. The fact that they can execute upon it indicates a determined person. The determination to execute should not be confused with knowing what they are doing is wrong, or that they are of sound mind and body.

The lack of ethics and morality is also a sign of evil for me, but that's my opinion, which has no value LOL People who are determined in their evil plans with no morality or ethics in them, are evil, period. (imo)

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She knew exactly what she did and was completely accountable for her deeds. That woman is an example of pure evil imo People who are really mentally ill wouldn't come up with such an evil plan, they would maybe come up with it but simply wouldn't be able to effectuate it.

I used to work for a nursing home that specialized in mental illness for a total of 11 years. During my time there I observed many who were not only very capable of meticulously planning a very cunning scheme, but who also appeared to have the presence of mind to enact upon them. This is one of the many common misconceptions the general public has about the mentally unhealthy. The mere fact of what they plan to do indicates their unwellness. The fact that they can execute upon it indicates a determined person. The determination to execute should not be confused with knowing what they are doing is wrong, or that they are of sound mind and body.

The lack of ethics and morality is also a sign of evil for me, but that's my opinion, which has no value LOL People who are determined in their evil plans with no morality or ethics in them, are evil, period. (imo)

Fair enough. I share your view of a lack of morals or ethics can lead to evil-like behavior. However, I also like to examine each issue on a case-by-case basis and judge them on their own merits. In the case you brought up, her 'evil' behavior was caused by clear insanity and thus can't really appreciate the 'evilness' of her ways.

Now, if we were talking about a hired hitman who trades ethics for financial gain, that would be a different story. That is to say, someone who is not insane but makes a clear choice to ignore a common moral (i.e. killing is bad), then I would tend to agree with you that this person should be held accountable for their actions.

But back to your case of the clearly insane woman who murdered her kids, I don't think the fact that her synapses weren't firing correctly is proof of people being 'born' evil, rather it is a very unfortunate side effect of nature that some people's brains aren't wired correctly. I think it highlights that nature is in fact not perfect at all, as beautiful as most of it is.

She knew exactly what she did and was completely accountable for her deeds. That woman is an example of pure evil imo People who are really mentally ill wouldn't come up with such an evil plan, they would maybe come up with it but simply wouldn't be able to effectuate it.

I used to work for a nursing home that specialized in mental illness for a total of 11 years. During my time there I observed many who were not only very capable of meticulously planning a very cunning scheme, but who also appeared to have the presence of mind to enact upon them. This is one of the many common misconceptions the general public has about the mentally unhealthy. The mere fact of what they plan to do indicates their unwellness. The fact that they can execute upon it indicates a determined person. The determination to execute should not be confused with knowing what they are doing is wrong, or that they are of sound mind and body.

The lack of ethics and morality is also a sign of evil for me, but that's my opinion, which has no value LOL People who are determined in their evil plans with no morality or ethics in them, are evil, period. (imo)

Fair enough. I share your view of a lack of morals or ethics can lead to evil-like behavior. However, I also like to examine each issue on a case-by-case basis and judge them on their own merits. In the case you brought up, her 'evil' behavior was caused by clear insanity and thus can't really appreciate the 'evilness' of her ways.

Now, if we were talking about a hired hitman who trades ethics for financial gain, that would be a different story. That is to say, someone who is not insane but makes a clear choice to ignore a common moral (i.e. killing is bad), then I would tend to agree with you that this person should be held accountable for their actions.

But back to your case of the clearly insane woman who murdered her kids, I don't think the fact that her synapses weren't firing correctly is proof of people being 'born' evil, rather it is a very unfortunate side effect of nature that some people's brains aren't wired correctly. I think it highlights that nature is in fact not perfect at all, as beautiful as most of it is.

Agreed 100% Another sad fact we can't do anything about...

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Fair enough. I share your view of a lack of morals or ethics can lead to evil-like behavior. However, I also like to examine each issue on a case-by-case basis and judge them on their own merits. In the case you brought up, her 'evil' behavior was caused by clear insanity and thus can't really appreciate the 'evilness' of her ways.

Now, if we were talking about a hired hitman who trades ethics for financial gain, that would be a different story. That is to say, someone who is not insane but makes a clear choice to ignore a common moral (i.e. killing is bad), then I would tend to agree with you that this person should be held accountable for their actions.

But back to your case of the clearly insane woman who murdered her kids, I don't think the fact that her synapses weren't firing correctly is proof of people being 'born' evil, rather it is a very unfortunate side effect of nature that some people's brains aren't wired correctly. I think it highlights that nature is in fact not perfect at all, as beautiful as most of it is.

Agreed 100% Another sad fact we can't do anything about it...

Well, we can do a few things. I think a civilized society will try to remove the stigma of mental health by learning more about what causes it, and by educating the masses about our findings, then encourage the unwell to seek treatment before it becomes a problem. Surely we won't catch everything, but it is something to work towards.

She was able to file a lawsuit.
I dont know how to do that:)

She also chooses civil case instead of accusing the psychiatrist of crime.
A court would then probably take up the case in a trial.

Being able to navigate the legal system doesn't mean you know right from wrong, it merely means you have a lawyer that is half decent at his job.

She was able, period. We were talking about this case, weren't we?

How do you know if you have not examined this women? If all you know is what you've read on wikipedia and what appeared in the media?

She was able to file a lawsuit.
I dont know how to do that:)
She also chooses civil case instead of accusing the psychiatrist of crime.
A court would then probably take up the case in a trial.

Being able to navigate the legal system doesn't mean you know right from wrong, it merely means you have a lawyer that is half decent at his job.

This is so strange.
She is sentenced to life.
Then Lhermitte wanted to “secure recognition of the prejudice genuinely suffered” due to the psychiatrist’s alleged inaction
What will she do with €3 millions as a compensation to the psychiatrist’s alleged inaction?

She was able to file a lawsuit.
I dont know how to do that:)
She also chooses civil case instead of accusing the psychiatrist of crime.
A court would then probably take up the case in a trial.

Being able to navigate the legal system doesn't mean you know right from wrong, it merely means you have a lawyer that is half decent at his job.

This is so strange.
She is sentenced to life.
What will she do with €3 millions?

Why do murders write books in prison only to earn millions on a life sentence? Life is indeed strange, but we have to stop expecting life to conform to our notion of 'normal'.