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Message 1686471 - Posted: 1 Jun 2015, 5:24:29 UTC - in response to Message 1665970.  

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Russia Doctored Photos in Shooting Down of Airliner, Report Finds

A new independent report finds that Russia doctored photos to implicate the Ukrainian military in the shooting down of the Malaysian airliner MH17 last July, casting doubt on Russian claims that neither separatists armed by Russia nor its own military were to blame for the disaster.

The report is the latest by the independent analysis group, Bellingcat, which has been using open source material -- often video and photos posted on social media -- to provide hard evidence that Russia has been sending troops and weapons into eastern Ukraine to support rebels there, despite denials from the Kremlin.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-doctored-photos-shooting-airliner-report-finds/story?id=31432913
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Message 1686765 - Posted: 1 Jun 2015, 23:04:33 UTC - in response to Message 1686471.  

Update.

Malaysia Airlines 'technically bankrupt'

Malaysia Airlines is "technically bankrupt", its chief executive has said, as he announced a restructuring programme and plans to cut about 6,000 jobs.

The announcement follows the twin air disasters which forced its nationalisation last year.

The airline said it had "offered jobs" to 14,000 of its 20,000 workforce.

The move was expected and follows the appointment of new chief executive Christoph Mueller in May.

"We are technically bankrupt," Mr Mueller told a news conference. "The decline of performance started long before the tragic events of 2014."

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32955818
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Message 1686801 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 1:14:25 UTC - in response to Message 1686471.  
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Russia Doctored Photos in Shooting Down of Airliner


For details about this 60 minutes did a special report a few weeeks ago that was aired on channel nine here in Australia here is a link to there web site about it however i'm not shore you will be able to watch it outside of Australia but there is also a written report to read even if you can't watch the video because of country blocks but give it a go and seee you mite be lucky .

http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/stories/2015/may/mh17/

They where able to go to the site of where they think the missile was launched and was very dangerous of them to try and go there but they did .
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Message 1686975 - Posted: 2 Jun 2015, 12:33:24 UTC - in response to Message 1686801.  
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Russia Doctored Photos in Shooting Down of Airliner

For details about this 60 minutes did a special report a few weeeks ago that was aired on channel nine here in Australia here is a link to there web site about it however i'm not shore you will be able to watch it outside of Australia but there is also a written report to read even if you can't watch the video because of country blocks but give it a go and seee you mite be lucky .
http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/stories/2015/may/mh17/
They where able to go to the site of where they think the missile was launched and was very dangerous of them to try and go there but they did .

Yes its blocked here.
But the report from Bellingcat tells much of the atrocity.
https://www.bellingcat.com/

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According to officials briefed on the results of a recent Homeland Security Inspector General’s report, TSA agents failed 67 out of 70 tests, with Red Team members repeatedly able to get potential weapons through checkpoints.
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Message 1687290 - Posted: 3 Jun 2015, 13:44:24 UTC
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The Russian group Almaz-Antej which manufactures air defense systems Buk has made ​​an analytical report on the MH17 disaster in eastern Ukraine.
Almaz-Antejs CEO Jan Novikov says that robots of the same type that shot down the aircraft is not produced in Russia since 1999.
Meanwhile, there is evidence that the Ukrainian armed forces have robots of this type. In 2005, the Group negotiated with Ukraine to extend robots life time. Then, Ukraine had 991 pieces, according to Almaz-Antej.
http://rt.com/news/264421-buk-missile-manufacturer-investigation/

CEO Janne Novikov seems to forget that Russia still also have Buk-M1's.
Finland and Belarus as well.
“Production of BUK-M1 missiles was discontinued in 1999, at the same time Russia passed all such missiles that were left to international clients,” the company said, adding that this missile type has not been supplied to the Russian Armed Forces since 1995, and none are currently deployed by Russia’s military.

Production of BUK-M1 missiles was discontinued in 1999? So what?
So now Russia admits that it was a BUK missile that shot MH17 down.
They can even tell what type it was.
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Message 1693727 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 1:54:41 UTC

OK this is the Russian view. Not Putin and Kremlin views!
http://en.novayagazeta.ru/politics/68386.html
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Message 1693845 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 10:12:12 UTC - in response to Message 1693727.  
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OK this is the Russian view. Not Putin and Kremlin views!
http://en.novayagazeta.ru/politics/68386.html

Very interesting... And gruesome.

The comment to that article is very clear for questioning the assumptions used to supposedly identify the missile launch point which then supposedly places the blame away from Russia...

So... Full admission that it was a Russian made missile system of a very specific type. Good determination of the detonation point just outside the cockpit. I agree with their determination of the RELATIVE missile-to-aircraft explosion and fragmentation damage.

However, I am very suspicious of how the missile track is supposedly rather conveniently claimed to be deduced...

Note the assumption that the missile track is supposedly completely accurate from launch and a straight vector all with no course correction... Also, no mention is made of allowing for the velocities relative to the ground or of using the debris field spread to confirm the aircraft path...

My expectation is that the missile would 'curve' into the aircraft path as the missile corrected its path as it homed on target...


So, good report but with a false conclusion to add to the propaganda war?

All a very nasty game.

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Message 1694022 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 17:43:24 UTC - in response to Message 1693845.  

So, good report but with a false conclusion to add to the propaganda war?
All a very nasty game.

Novaya Gazeta is one of the few news media left in Russia that doesn't use propaganda to sell news.
But Putin will probably shut them down.
Many other independent russian newspapers have already thrown in the towel.
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Message 1699662 - Posted: 8 Jul 2015, 23:08:42 UTC - in response to Message 1694022.  

Russia rejects calls for MH17 tribunal

Russia rejects calls for tribunal to prosecute those responsible for the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine last year, arguing that the investigation into the incident has not been completed and no precedents exist for establishment of such body.

http://uatoday.tv/politics/russia-rejects-calls-for-mh17-tribunal-452259.html
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Message 1701112 - Posted: 13 Jul 2015, 17:18:37 UTC
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I wonder how Putin will react to this story from a Russian non state controlled newspaper today.
Novaya Gazeta report on downing MH17 by Russian Buk.
Last summer at 12:15 on July 17th, Novaya's own correspondent saw the BUK with 4 missiles moving through Snzehnoe Ukraine with "non-local looking staff".
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.novayagazeta.ru%2Finquests%2F69181.html&edit-text=
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Message 1701490 - Posted: 14 Jul 2015, 21:39:07 UTC
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More evidence on the DNR terrorists involvement in the crash of flight MH17 has been found before the anniversary of this tragic event. During an exclusive investigation by the InformNapalm team new facts have been discovered on the Volvo truck FH-13 used for transporting the BUK missile system.
https://en.informnapalm.org/joker-reveals-the-volvo-truck-that-carried-the-buk-missile-system-for-mh17/
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Message 1702492 - Posted: 17 Jul 2015, 12:45:34 UTC
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On the anniversary of the air disaster in eastern Ukraine memorial ceremonies is held in a number of locations around the world.
Simultaneously a new film is circulating that is said to show how the Russian-backed rebels searches MH17's wreck site. "You feel sick," said Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/17/footage-of-russian-backed-rebels-looting-mh17-luggage-is-sickening-julie-bishop-says

https://youtu.be/j4zQKUVPfAQ

A second investigation report into the tragedy will be released in October.

MH17 In Their Own Words: Witness Testimonies on Social Media from July 17th, 2014.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/07/16/in-their-own-words/

Sputnik Russia questions.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150717/1024746540.html

Swedish comments.
A sea of ​​Russian lies about MH17.
https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.helahalsingland.se%2Fopinion%2Fledare%2Fchristian-palme-ett-hav-av-ryska-logner-om-mh17
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Message 1704891 - Posted: 25 Jul 2015, 12:05:43 UTC

Russian officer Sergey Petrovsky ("Khmury) recognized on tape in Dutch MH17 investigation.
The tapped phone call shows Petrovsky may be a key figure within the criminal investigation. For instance, Petrovsky was the one who arranged the transport of the BUK missile-system to Donetsk, and from there to the battlefront. “There’s no need to hide it, it’s going there straightaway”, Petrovsky tells “Buryat” on the phone. Petrovsky uses concealing language - “Is it what I think it is?” - Buryat, however, is less careful. “Yeah, yeah, a Buk.”

https://youtu.be/MVAOTWPmMM4
Moscow is denying any involvement...

Russian Federation has now got this.
http://russia.embassy.gov.au/mscw/23072015ftmh17.html
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Message 1706652 - Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 11:25:31 UTC

UN Security Council failed to adopt a resolution on the creation of a tribunal for investigation of the air disaster with Malaysian Boeing who was shot down over Donetsk County in July 2014.

The document, initiated by Malaysia, was agreed by 11 Member States. Three countries (China, Angola and Venezuela) abstained. Russia put in its veto. Member States despite the different perceptions of the Court agreed that a thorough and impartial investigation of the disaster needed.

Russian Foreign Ministry stated that Russia's tireless explanations that this step has no historical precedent and would be unseemly and counterproductive has not received attention. According to Russian Foreign Ministry would also be premature to form a tribunal to bring those responsible to justice before the investigation is completed.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150730/1025203606.html
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Message 1709721 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 14:08:09 UTC

The investigation "Shootdown passenger aircraft Boing 777 Malaysian Airlines", law enforcement and intelligence agencies found that terrorists and mercenaries cynically planned military attack against civilian aircraft Aeroflot AFL-2074 Moscow-Larnaca, which at the same time has a flight over the territory of Ukraine. This was at the briefing said the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Valentyn Nalyvaychenko.
https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ssu.gov.ua%2Fsbu%2Fcontrol%2Fuk%2Fpublish%2Farticle%3Fart_id%3D129834%26cat_id%3D39574
Did pro-russian rebels in Donbass a mistake?
Yes. A big one...
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Message 1710771 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 9:32:11 UTC

Just over a year after the anniversary of the tragic downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, a new trickle of conspiracy theories have emerged, including the use of an Israeli rocket launched from a Georgian aircraft downing MH17 and an undercover CIA agent working for the BBC plotting the plane’s downing.
The Weird World of MH17 Conspiracy Theories – Part 1
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/08/07/mh17-conspiracies/comment-page-1/#comments
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Message 1733949 - Posted: 13 Oct 2015, 12:01:06 UTC
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The Dutch Safety Board presented their report today.

Needless to say Russia as well.
Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Antey presents the results of its own report into the missile launch that downed the MH17 Malaysian Airlines plane over eastern Ukraine
http://sputniknews.com/world/20151013/1028437455/mh17-russia-report-almaz-antey.html#ixzz3oRrJy0RL

“The results of the experiment completely contradict the results of the Dutch commission on the type of missile and the location of its launch”
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Message 1794143 - Posted: 7 Jun 2016, 1:14:50 UTC

MH17 crash: Part of Big Buk missile found at Ukraine crash site of Malaysia Airlines plane

Investigators said their final report would detail the nature of the weapon used and the exact location from which it was fired

Prosecutors conducting the criminal investigation into the downing of flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine two years ago have published a photo of part of a Buk missile found at the crash site.

The international Joint Investigation Team (JIT) image shows a venturi tube, which is part of the exhaust system.
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Message 2077790 - Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 13:02:08 UTC

After a long long time, we at long last have:


MH17 plane crash: Horror and hope for families as trial starts
wrote:
... for families who lost 298 loved ones on flight MH17. Now they hope the trial of four men will provide answers to the downing of the Malaysian Airlines plane over eastern Ukraine in July 2014.

In the first week of the trial they have heard how distinctive bow tie-shaped steel fragments, consistent with those in a surface-to-air Buk missile warhead, were among those found lodged in the bodies of the crew, passengers' luggage and wreckage...



And all the rest is politics at play?


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