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Message 1480649 - Posted: 22 Feb 2014, 15:58:36 UTC

Reports in UK press.

President voted out by MP's and whereabouts unknown.

Yulia Tymoshenko - freed from jail
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Message 1480673 - Posted: 22 Feb 2014, 16:53:20 UTC

really strange goings on...
Early morning reports of the Pres. having "run for cover" and the opposition in control of a lot of places.
Then reports of the Pres. having appeared on telly saying he was still the Pres.
And someone in the (former?) opposition claiming that there will be elections very soon
And various reports of various leaders having stepped down/done a runner/released from jail.

I can't see Russia taking this lying down, as if there hadn't been enough bloodshed in the last four months :-(
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Message 1480809 - Posted: 23 Feb 2014, 1:04:09 UTC

I found this article to be another example in how corrupt/greedy a person can be and considering the amount of poverty that the Ukraine has I hope that they can catch Viktor Yanukovych and lock him up for a very long time.

http://www.news.com.au/world/shocking-opulence-revealed-as-ukraine-leader-flees-home/story-fndir2ev-1226835084785

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Message 1480905 - Posted: 23 Feb 2014, 10:19:45 UTC - in response to Message 1480809.  

I found this article to be another example in how corrupt/greedy a person can be and considering the amount of poverty that the Ukraine has I hope that they can catch Viktor Yanukovych and lock him up for a very long time.

http://www.news.com.au/world/shocking-opulence-revealed-as-ukraine-leader-flees-home/story-fndir2ev-1226835084785

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Why do all those corrupt politicians and dictators have such awful taste in home interior design. Its always so...kitsch.
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Message 1481699 - Posted: 25 Feb 2014, 21:45:34 UTC
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In Ukraine about 1/3 Russian-speaking peoples.
One of very first decisions of new regime was to cancel law about regional languages. That makes Russian inacceptable language on Ukraine.

Go figure.

(Just imagine to leave only English in Canada, for example, and attempt to make legal prosecution for speaking French. Very democratic and in line with "base europian and world values", not ? )
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Message 1481761 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 3:07:37 UTC - in response to Message 1480312.  

Unrest in the Ukraine ??

Time for the Administration to cluck their tongues and wring their hands in feigned anguish.

At least the Republican view is clear: they want President Obama to fix the situataion, while opposing the U.S. getting involved. It is comparable to their view on Afghanistan, where they are opposed to the U.S. pulling out and also opposed to staying in. (They now have their brightest minds on foreign policy, having pulled them off of climatology.)
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Message 1481765 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 3:41:48 UTC - in response to Message 1481699.  

In Ukraine about 1/3 Russian-speaking peoples.
One of very first decisions of new regime was to cancel law about regional languages. That makes Russian inacceptable language on Ukraine.

Go figure.

(Just imagine to leave only English in Canada, for example, and attempt to make legal prosecution for speaking French. Very democratic and in line with "base europian and world values", not ? )

Maybe the peoples of Ukraine don't like the idea of people who have in the past invaded their country, and insist on not integrating with the people of Ukraine and learning their language. Which is different from the example you gave of Canada. Where the British defeated the French in Quebec but allowed them to keep their lands and language.
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Message 1481804 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 6:53:22 UTC - in response to Message 1481765.  
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Maybe the peoples of Ukraine don't like the idea of people who have in the past invaded their country, and insist on not integrating with the people of Ukraine and learning their language. Which is different from the example you gave of Canada. Where the British defeated the French in Quebec but allowed them to keep their lands and language.


Invided? The freeing from nazi Germany during World War II called invasion now? The transfer of Crimea is invasion too perhaps? Are you sure you at least know where the land is?
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Message 1481833 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 8:33:09 UTC - in response to Message 1481804.  
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Maybe the peoples of Ukraine don't like the idea of people who have in the past invaded their country, and insist on not integrating with the people of Ukraine and learning their language. Which is different from the example you gave of Canada. Where the British defeated the French in Quebec but allowed them to keep their lands and language.


Invided? The freeing from nazi Germany during World War II called invasion now? The transfer of Crimea is invasion too perhaps? Are you sure you at least know where the land is?

Yes we fought a war there in 1853/6

By your Russian logic, we should be living in France, Belgium and the Netherlands.
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Message 1481841 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 8:49:07 UTC - in response to Message 1481804.  


Maybe the peoples of Ukraine don't like the idea of people who have in the past invaded their country, and insist on not integrating with the people of Ukraine and learning their language. Which is different from the example you gave of Canada. Where the British defeated the French in Quebec but allowed them to keep their lands and language.


Invided? The freeing from nazi Germany during World War II called invasion now? The transfer of Crimea is invasion too perhaps? Are you sure you at least know where the land is?

The Russians might have freed them from Nazi Germany, but when did the Russians let them go their own way afterwards?
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Message 1481845 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 8:57:50 UTC
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Just in case some of these old historic complications might also partially affected for this current event that:
- Kiev was a Russian capital some few hundred years ago hence so much Ukrainian and Russian languages are entangled as of now;
- In 1929 Russia invaded Ukraine and forced them into their communist regime;
- During 1933-1939 more than 5 million Ukrainians were exterminated by Russian communist regime. google Holodomor.

all these 3 historic events are broadly documented all over on the internet.

I spent 1 summer in Kharkov, Ukrain in good old days, it was very beautiful european city at that time.

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Message 1481870 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 10:56:19 UTC - in response to Message 1481699.  

In Ukraine about 1/3 Russian-speaking peoples.
One of very first decisions of new regime was to cancel law about regional languages. That makes Russian inacceptable language on Ukraine.

Go figure.

(Just imagine to leave only English in Canada, for example, and attempt to make legal prosecution for speaking French. Very democratic and in line with "base europian and world values", not ? )

I'd be sorry for the Russians if it wasn't for the fact that they tried to use that law to basically turn Russian as the official Ukrainian language.

Also, there is a radically different perception between Russians and the former soviet states as to whether they 'liberated' those lands from the Nazis or whether they formed little more than the next 'invasion' replacing one evil with another.
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Message 1481917 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 15:06:27 UTC
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Some Russians wrote stupidity!
This "law" from 03.07.2012 had abolished because he towered over Article 10 of the Ukrainian Constitution! Our Constitution - does not oppress the Russian language!
Quite the contrary... and protects!
"Article 10. The State language of Ukraine shall be the Ukrainian language.
The State shall ensure comprehensive development and functioning of the Ukrainian language in all spheres of social life throughout the entire territory of Ukraine.
Free development, use, and protection of Russian and other languages of national minorities of Ukraine shall be guaranteed in Ukraine.
The State shall promote the learning of languages of international communication.
The use of languages in Ukraine shall be guaranteed by the Constitution of Ukraine and shall be determined by law." http://www.president.gov.ua/en/content/chapter01.html
After that ("law" from 03.07.2012), the Russian-speaking masse began to mock the state Ukrainian language!
For example, in Odessa (Ukraine) even the traffic police officers responded to drivers that the Ukrainian language - the "language of the cow"!
Thus, the Supreme Council of Ukraine removed extraconstitutional laws...
Therefore (and including) the Ukrainian people went to Revolution!
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Message 1481940 - Posted: 26 Feb 2014, 16:11:37 UTC - in response to Message 1481906.  
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MOSCOW (AP) - President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday ordered massive exercises involving most of its military units in western Russia amid tensions in Ukraine.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/02/26/putin-orders-military-tests-amid-ukraine-tensions/20838583/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing13%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D447672

Starting.

Ukraine voluntarily handed over hundreds of nuclear warheads and strategic nuclear weapons delivery vehicles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
Read and we shall see who throws words and promises down the drain...
Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine's Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (Budapest Memorandum of 5 December 1994) Signed: B.Yeltsin; J. Major; W. Clinton
http://unterm.un.org/DGAACS/unterm.nsf/8fa942046ff7601c85256983007ca4d8/4fe5ea3e98fbff4e852569fa00008aae?OpenDocument
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Message 1482151 - Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 1:03:44 UTC
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Those of who are familiar with Wikileaks the Ukrainians created their own Yanukovichleaks.org to reveal massive loots by Yanukovich to the world over thousands pages of his loots documents being released in last few days.

Yesterday morning the page count was 794 pages but in 24 hrs it is now 1300 pages.
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Message 1482241 - Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 9:06:46 UTC - in response to Message 1482151.  
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Those of who are familiar with Wikileaks the Ukrainians created their own Yanukovichleaks.org to reveal massive loots by Yanukovich to the world over thousands pages of his loots documents being released in last few days.

Yesterday morning the page count was 794 pages but in 24 hrs it is now 1300 pages.

Yes, Orgil, instead of governing the country, he robbed people...
His own financial condition (only four years of presidency) - $ 12 billion, said to Anders Aslund http://finance.liga.net/economics/2014/2/26/news/37546.htm
But this is not the most important thing...
These bandits who defended Yanukovych in Kiev, beheaded captured protesters! Police dragged them to an unknown destination... Tens and hundreds of people were missing!
Shocking video http://tsn.ua/video/video-novini/z-yavilos-shokuyuche-video-perenesennya-silovikami-tila-bez-golovi-na-maydani.html?type=1700
It was Pol Pot (with his hoes) in the heart of Europe!!! It's scary how he clung to authority and power exercised!
This need to know in Europe, America, Asia, Australia, Africa, around the World!
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Message 1482309 - Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 15:13:13 UTC - in response to Message 1482292.  
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Shocking video http://tsn.ua/video/video-novini/z-yavilos-shokuyuche-video-perenesennya-silovikami-tila-bez-golovi-na-maydani.html?type=1700

It was Pol Pot (with his hoes) in the heart of Europe!!! It's scary how he clung to authority and power exercised!
This need to know in Europe, America, Asia, Australia, Africa, around the World!

Sorry guys. America is going home. Australia can't help. Asia and Africa have their own problems. Hopefully Europe can help.

Good luck.


That is pretty honest straight reply given the fact that current economic situations of throughout the west.

Also reminds me another latest woman's word from the State dept of "f--k the EU!" phrase.


Ukraine need to sell few bundles of nuclear rods to Iran or Saudi arabia for a few billion dollars to generate quick cash.
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Message 1482344 - Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 16:57:32 UTC - in response to Message 1482292.  
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Sorry guys. America is going home. Australia can't help. Asia and Africa have their own problems. Hopefully Europe can help.
Good luck.

It's good that they return home... Our soldiers are still there! In Congo, Liberia, Cote Divoire and other locations!
Since 1992 more than 37 000 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine took part in various peacekeeping operations. From that time 49 Ukrainian peacekeepers lost their lives in missions... http://www.mil.gov.ua/index.php?lang=en&part=peacekeeping&sub=history
Currently http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%87%D1%96_%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%81%D1%96%D1%97_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8 or http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B
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Message 1482354 - Posted: 27 Feb 2014, 17:20:21 UTC

Today Russian tanks and some military units entered into Crimea just at the southern border of the Ukraine?! some news sources are showing something.
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Message 1482580 - Posted: 28 Feb 2014, 0:50:39 UTC
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Maybe American oil war is infecting as Russian thing:



Looks like UK, Belgium, Holland, Switzirland are pretty safe in this case.


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