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Iona Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 790 Credit: 22,438,118 RAC: 0 |
Thanks for the info, TBar...with the Q6600/HD6870 I played safe, knowing what would work and not going around in circles with the AMD/ATI site and the S@H boards! I'm not expecting any earth-shattering result with the 6870s first GPU WU, more that it works OK. When I'm happy about it working OK in Vista 64, I'll look at later drivers/SDKs. There also appears to be more room for 'wiggle' than I'd thought. Thanks, once again. However, back on topic, the fact remains, that my main PC, is being run for much longer periods of time, than it used to be, for less 'credit'. Some will say that it is the science that is the most important part of the project, not the credits. Others will say that the 'credits' reflect the work they've done with their PCs for the project. I'm in a bit of a 'funny place' on these aspects (as are many others, I suspect) in that I am running my main PC for longer, incurring higher operating costs for 'less reward' - believe me, the subsequent additional use of electricity is very noticeable! I'm very much 'with' Grant, on this; his experience of CreditNew mirrors my own. I wonder what has happened to the total RAC of S@H since V7. If it has gone down hugely, is it because of the low credit scoring, possibly with people not running S@H as much, or even leaving? If it has gone up, is that due to more GPUs being 'thrown' at the problem? Questions. Yes. Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive! |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
Yes, I'm very familiar with the XP limitations. Actually, unless the Game calls for 12.3, there is very little difference between 12.1 & 12.3. I just picked up a 6870 a couple weeks ago and tested it in my XP host with 12.1. It worked great with 12.1 in XP. Now it's flying high in my other Host preparing to battle for the Highest ranked AMD card in SETI crown. It's scraping paint with a pair of Tahitis at the moment... Yes, yes it is. But, there isn't any competition there. On the other hand, it appears I'm running into some bumpy APs with a lot of blanking. Passing this remaining Cayman may take a while ;-) |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
Thanks for the info, TBar...with the Q6600/HD6870 I played safe, knowing what would work and not going around in circles with the AMD/ATI site and the S@H boards! I'm not expecting any earth-shattering result with the 6870s first GPU WU, more that it works OK. When I'm happy about it working OK in Vista 64, I'll look at later drivers/SDKs. There also appears to be more room for 'wiggle' than I'd thought. Thanks, once again. Well, the MB7 tasks demand more work from the PC, so, it's going to take a little longer to complete. It's not like you are completing the same work for more cost. Your PC is completing more work per task with MB7. Since you have an ATI card, if I were you, I wouldn't bother with MB tasks until there is a better MB7 App for ATI cards. Eric posted statistics for the different Apps in one of these threads. The Stats showed the ATI MB7 App at around 0.02 points per set time verses 0.08 points for the ATI AP App. Or maybe it was 0.2 verses 0.8? Anyway, the ATI AP App created about 4x the credits as the ATI MB App for the same amount of time. Since there hasn't been much of a change in the AP credit, you should run APs on your ATI card...for now. Hopefully, someone will code a better MB App for the ATI cards soon. Until then, feed your 6870 straight APs, it will make you happier. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Thanks for the info, TBar...with the Q6600/HD6870 I played safe, knowing what would work and not going around in circles with the AMD/ATI site and the S@H boards! I'm not expecting any earth-shattering result with the 6870s first GPU WU, more that it works OK. When I'm happy about it working OK in Vista 64, I'll look at later drivers/SDKs. There also appears to be more room for 'wiggle' than I'd thought. Thanks, once again. Nice question. I think it has gone up because folks are throwing GPU's at the problem. I know I am going to. You can see the wild swings that each rig takes when we dont have any AP to run. My best machine goes from 16k to allmost 20K when AP is availible. I still dont know what my rigs can do at peak crunching. And I can understand why people are complaining. If the payout was equal to what ever was being run we should not be seeing theese big swings in rac when AP is not being sent out. I will run what I get and not abort any work, Unlike some folks that do just to get AP's. Meanwhile I see a few more GPU's in my machines. [/quote] Old James |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13855 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
End of December & then the beginning of January we had those system problems, so there was no work available for a while there, hence the plummeting RAC. Since then it has been steadily climbing back up to the new (low) level it had been sitting on. While I was away on holidays my systems went down for a couple of days, so there was an additional drop there. But ever since being back up for over a week and a half now my RAC continues to fall like a stone. I've got the maximum possible 200 in progress, Validation pending on 345 (300-400 seems to be the usual amount). There's been 1 invalid, no errors, and still my RAC keeps falling. At this rate, before the end of the year, no Credit will be allocated for MB work done. Grant Darwin NT |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
I don´t want to add more gasoline to the flame but, I´s only at my side or creditscrew, screw a little more? I noticied on the last days another drop on the credit gived for the MB work, few months ago the credit per WU was in the range of 60-100, now i see a lot of 40´s or 50´s and very rare 90´s or 100´s. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I don´t want to add more gasoline to the flame but, I´s only at my side or creditscrew, screw a little more? I noticied on the last days another drop on the credit gived for the MB work, few months ago the credit per WU was in the range of 60-100, now i see a lot of 40´s or 50´s and very rare 90´s or 100´s. Are you sure that's not just because there have been so many shorties (VHAR) recently? I did a work fetch this morning, and got 62 shorties in one batch... Look at deadlines before you report: anything with a deadline in mid-March (18 March, for today's downloads) would be expected to earn 40-odd credits. For tasks already reported, look at the run time: that depends on your hardware, of course, so you'll have to compare it with known times for the longer tasks. |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
That´s exactly why i report, the crunching times still very similar (unless in the newer 780´s GPU´s) but the credit "paid" to the WUs are less. In the past shorties paids in the range of 40-50 but now they paid 30-40. |
Batter Up Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 1946 Credit: 24,860,347 RAC: 0 |
All the 24/7 crunchers are dropping in RAC but they are dropping equally. As long as one doesn't compare a SETI cobblestone to other projects' cobblestones it is all the same. |
Rolf Send message Joined: 16 Jun 09 Posts: 114 Credit: 7,817,146 RAC: 0 |
All the 24/7 crunchers are dropping in RAC but they are dropping equally. As long as one doesn't compare a SETI cobblestone to other projects' cobblestones it is all the same. Why are they dropping? You do the same "work" for years and years but you "get paid" less and less every month. Where's the reason? |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
The simple answer: the CreditNew Impact that´s what exacty this thread is about and AFAIK there is a good team working to fix that and we pray each day for their success. |
Cruncher-American Send message Joined: 25 Mar 02 Posts: 1513 Credit: 370,893,186 RAC: 340 |
At this rate, before the end of the year, no Credit will be allocated for MB work done. Ah, the Eternal Optimist.... |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
Don´t forget Murphy´s law... "Nothing is so bad that it can not get worse" |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Don´t forget Murphy´s law... Murphy's law is more famously "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong." & I would say it may be a good description of creditnew. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
I think they call in english: corollary... |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13855 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
I don´t want to add more gasoline to the flame but, I´s only at my side or creditscrew, screw a little more? I noticied on the last days another drop on the credit gived for the MB work, few months ago the credit per WU was in the range of 60-100, now i see a lot of 40´s or 50´s and very rare 90´s or 100´s. Putting the recent hiccups aside, my RAC continues to fall. After V7 came on line it eventually settled down around 18,500 (down from 31,000) Lately it's been around 17,500 & has started to decline even further- now it's down to around 16,500. Hopefully after these last few outages have passed it will go up again, at least a bit. But I suspect that's just wishfull thinking. Grant Darwin NT |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Im sure it will go down further. When an Astropulse pays 70 credits when you are matched up with a Open CL ATI you can count on it. Yeah I know there are a lot of varibales, But take a look at your pendings. Im seeing more and more of them. [/quote] Old James |
Jimbocous Send message Joined: 1 Apr 13 Posts: 1856 Credit: 268,616,081 RAC: 1,349 |
Not that I'm complaining, but does anyone think this is a bit weird? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1446543297 Seems like a lot of credit for a 100% blanked WU that ran in a couple seconds. Can I get more? :) |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Not that I'm complaining, but does anyone think this is a bit weird? Welcome to creditnew! SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
juan BFP Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 9786 Credit: 572,710,851 RAC: 3,799 |
Sure you see that before: Creditscrew uses a random number generator to give the credits. |
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