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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
How Big Are Those Killer Asteroids? A Critic Says NASA Doesn’t Know. More than 14,000 known asteroids zip through Earth’s neighborhood. They will all miss Earth in the coming decades. But hundreds of thousands more have not yet been discovered, and whether any of those are on course to slam into our planet, no one knows. So finding and tracking all the asteroids that could cross Earth’s path would allow officials to issue warnings and potentially provide time to deflect dangerous ones. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/science/asteroids-nathan-myhrvold-nasa.html Never did trust NASA. |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
Yes it does. Rosetta’s Comet 67P contains ingredients for life Ingredients crucial for the origin of life on Earth, including the simple amino acid glycine and phosphorus, key components of DNA and cell membranes, have been discovered at Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. The possibility that water and organic molecules were brought to the early Earth through impacts of objects like asteroids and comets has long been the subject of important debate. https://astronomynow.com/2016/05/28/rosettas-comet-67p-contains-ingredients-for-life/ |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
If life can start within the boundaries of science and biology then there is no more need for god. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Yes, but who created the laws of physics and biology? That is the question. At the end of his book "What is life?" Erwin Schroedinger wrote that God created life with the help of quantum mechanics. Tullio |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I think that Erwin Schroedinger, a respected scientist, whose equation is the basis of all structural chemistry and molecular biology, was not expressing fairy tales, but only his faith. Faith is not a fairy tale. Tullio |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
I think that Erwin Schroedinger, a respected scientist, whose equation is the basis of all structural chemistry and molecular biology, was not expressing fairy tales, but only his faith. Faith is not a fairy tale. But faith can be misplaced. But everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions in regard to this matter. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Many scientists believe in God, while many others do not. This is only a personal matter, and has nothing to do with science. Tullio |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I am not pushing any delusion. I did not start this discussion about belief in God. Somebody else started it and I replied. Tullio You started it. |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
The word God is allowed. The God Particle, discovered by CERN. Free speech forum. No one is being delusional. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Schroedinger, Abdus Salam, and Nicola Cabibbo of Cabibbo angle fame, all believed in God, while probably each of them had a different idea of God. The God of Einstein, the one who does not play dice, was more similar to that of Spinoza than the God of the Bible. Abdus Salam, Nobel prize winner in Theoretical Physics, was a devout Islamic believe who interrupted his studies to pray on a rug oriented to La Mecca as a devout Muslim. I have known him personally while studying at the International Center for Theoretical Physics in Trieste that now bears his name. In 1993, while already ill with Parkinson, he welcomed Pope John Paul II in the Aula Magna of the University of Trieste. I was present. Tullio |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
If life can start within the boundaries of science and biology then there is no more need for god. except the Big bang DIDN'T come form 0...or from nothing! ;) Kepler, Galileo, - - I really cant tell if what is worse in their anti-agenda: vegans or agnostics... what do you think folks? ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
The existence of God cannot be neither proven nor unproven. It is a matter of faith. Abdus Salam was both a great scientist and a man of faith. To say that he believed in "fairy tales" is simply stupid. Tullio |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
All forms of proselytizing are annoying for the other side. "Folklore" is a better word than "fairy tales"--you can find the same Bible stories in the Dead Sea scrolls which predate Christian writings by a few hundred years. Several years ago there was a very nice exhibit of these in Pittsburg Pennsylvania at the Carnegie Museum. I am still trying to prove how it is possible for Adam and Eve to have had grand children--perhaps a nasty form of incest going on a long time ago. Perhaps this discussion should be carried out more courteously in some other thread. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
All forms of proselytizing are annoying for the other side. "Folklore" is a better word than "fairy tales"--you can find the same Bible stories in the Dead Sea scrolls which predate Christian writings by a few hundred years. Several years ago there was a very nice exhibit of these in Pittsburg Pennsylvania at the Carnegie Museum. I agree, but I did not start it. Somebody else did. I shall stop writing from now. Tullio |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
The discussion should go on (maybe in another thread)--perhaps addressing the idea of proof and logic to define this notion as it emerged over many civilizations. Here is a post I made a few years back which may get at the notion of logical proof. We can all explore this question by writing down the traits and functionings of a "God" of which we were taught and may now still believe in. We can then look around at the current and past happenings in this world. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Here is some sure-fire reality on the subject of grandchildren of Adam and Eve : The early chapters of Genesis are concerned with the origin of the Earth and all life, including man. The Author's intention is seemingly to present the grand picture first and then add certain details throughout the rest of Scripture; this is called Progressive Revelation. All we are told about Adam's offspring is that the first son was named Cain, the second son named Abel [Genesis 4:1-2 ], then after Abel's murder, another son named Seth was "begotten when Adam was 130 years old." After that, Adam "begot sons and daughters" [Genesis 5:3-4]. This same passage also tells us that Adam lived for 930 years [Genesis 5:5]. Therefore, according to Scripture, Adam and Eve's family consisted of sons Cain, Abel and Seth, plus a minimum of two other sons and two daughters, giving a total of seven children. However, accepting that Adam, and likely Eve, lived for 930 years, seven children would be the minimum number, but does this seem reasonable? |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
The Bible is not a science book and should not be considered as such. Our way of thinking is very different from that of the ancient peoples and we have learned the use of logic, with all its limitations (see Goedel). Tullio |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
The question is: as the putative inspired word of God, Is the Bible factual or is it allegorical ? What are we to think when we see that someone, ostensibly, lived for 900 years ? |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
The Bible is the work of many authors, not only one as the Quran. I have a copy of the Bibbia Concordata, Mondadori, 1968,approved by Catholic, Jewish, Orthodox and Protestant authorities. It is an imposing literary work, but I never could read it all, it is too big. I prefer the Gospels, much easier to understand and nearer to my feelings. Tullio |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
I'm the guilty party and realise now that I should not have brought the subject of god into this thread no matter how logical my statement was. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
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