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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31046 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I would find it humorous if he asked that liberal bastion of freedom for any help It would be proof he has gone orthogonal and become a libertarian. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11419 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
It's a spending problem, not a taxing problem Buying new Abrams tanks that the army does not want or more C-17s the air force does not want is not a good use of resources. Invading Iraq with out even accounting for the cost was fiscally delusional and we are paying now. California spending more of it's state budget on incarceration than education does not produce the most productive and tax paying citizenry. On the spending side there is a lot to be cut and not just defense. As for revenues the tax collection rate is the lowest it has been in my 6 plus decades all in the name of vodoo trickle down economics. Look at the successful economies such as Australia, Canada, Germany, Holland, New Zealand to name a few. One thing they have in common besides success is that they don't burden their economies with 16% of their GDPs with defense expenditures another is taxation rates that are much more progressive. The only fix which can work is a bit if fiscal restraint and a bit more of revenue. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
1) technically no. As long as we can print money and people(countries) buy our debt we are not bankrupt. Also the US Gov't has Great Tracts of Land that are pretty valueable. So if it came down to it. the Gubment could just sell some of its assest to pay its debt. 2) The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people Constitution and/or one of its amendments... or is slavery still a right? and are black/african americans still worth 3/5ths of a vote. and what about the children of mixed race are they 4/5th's citizens. 3) I don't disagree. Seems recent and current conservative justices have not recused themselves when they've actually known and associated with people that the court was making a decision about. However the last I checked the constitution doesn't require the court to have 9-0 vote on every case. In fact it just needs a simple majority vote. Case closed. IIRC It was Warren Burger was the Chief justice that tried to make every case a 9-0 or 8-1 decision. He wanted to show the unity of the court. Currently we have a bit to much disharmony and posturing by individuals that are supposed to be impartial. 4)Actually its all about the taxes. Or the denail that the wealthy should pay. but again you think any tax is too much. Please explain how Juan working at his $7.50houer dish washing job should pay for that new B2 bomber. Or that new bridge. Now lets ask that Billionaire to pay a bit more than his dish washer and get things done. Its pretty sad when a sap such as you defends the ultrawealthy when they dont even try to hide their own greedy and selfishness when it comes to taxation. Guess thats an argument you'll never win either. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31046 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Famous "most confusing paragraph in the tax code": Sec. 509(4) That one isn't so bad. Try looking up 501(c)(13)'s that are owned, er controlled by 501(c)(8)'s that are subordinate organizations of other 501(c)(8)'s. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11419 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
And betreger, I see you are totally unaware of which states are producing these M1 Abrams and C-17s and I see you are totally unaware what happens when the military says, "I can't use any more of these things" and which senators force them on to the military anyway to keep those people working producing these items and voting for them. LOOK IT UP. "A bit of fiscal restraint" is an understatement. And "a bit more revenue" can be achieved by SIMPLIFYING THE TAX CODE so companies like General Electric, Google, Apple, and General Motors pay SOMETHING in taxes. I guess an ad hominem attack from you is the appropriate way for you to start a response. Moving on, I do know about Ohio and it's conservative representatives pushing the tanks thru and likewise for the SO Cal Demos doing the like for the C-17. The problem is that nobody is thinking. for example, the money for these programs could be spent differently. 1/3 for other programs the military would rather have, they are better off. 1/3 spent on infrastructure, our roads, waterways,education, etc., and once again they would be better off than not. The last third spent on directly reducing the nat. debt. From personal experience, the way to pay off a bill is one payment at a time but be relentless when going for it. This way no one loses except the tank and air[plane people and they are 1/3 immediately offset by the infrastructure spending. Of course 1/3 are working on other more desired DOD programs. The last should be taken care of by the improved productivity creating new jobs. The concept of "common ground" is not viable in the current climate. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
Ignorance has nothing to do with character. you might actually read what your wrote and take it to heart In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
MIKE SCANS Send message Joined: 18 Jun 03 Posts: 2 Credit: 10,365 RAC: 0 |
last poll was over 55% |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
1) Show me where $125T in federal liabilities is paid for. That presupposes the "$125 Trillion in federal liabilities" is real. The apparent source of that number, Lord Monckton, suggests the reality of the figure is somewhat doubtful. For instance his knowledge of history appears to rival yours: Sterling, once the world’s reserve currency, went precisely the same way in 1967 under orders from Moscow, which then largely controlled the governing Socialist Labor party in Britain.. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
googling the good lord shows that he's quite a loon In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11419 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Guy, your first point, GOVERNMENT EMPLOYING 22 MILLION PEOPLE, strikes a great degree of hypocrisy. As a retired military man and a junior college teacher you are part of what you hate. How can you look in the mirror? You are part of the problem that you complain about! You have no shame! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31046 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Failings of Government:
2 Faux allowed to false advertise, calling themselves fair and balanced
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Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8964 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Failings of Government: Stossel has done some legitimate stuff....Faux is merely advertising. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31046 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Stossel has done some legitimate stuff Must have been by accident ... |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11419 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Subtract the number of active duty military (U.S. Constitution, Article 1, section 8) from 22 Million and what do you have left? Do the math. The DOD budget is 16% of our GNP, that's a lot, in fact more than the rest of the world spends total. That's quite a burden on our society. The perceived security may be worth the cost but that is a topic for a different thread. |
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