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Message 1360151 - Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 4:31:08 UTC

after I cloned the old HD there is almost a 10 Gig difference in their size according to what is shown in "My Computer" .
Any one know why it would be this way ?
Old HD shows 422 Gig free
Cloned one shows 431 Gig free .
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Message 1360261 - Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 7:44:36 UTC - in response to Message 1360151.  
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Look at it in Disk Manager to see if there is any unsed space, hidden partition etc. Also the free space will change depending on the size of the swap file etc.
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Message 1360308 - Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 13:18:57 UTC - in response to Message 1360261.  

Look at it in Disk Manager to see if there is any unsed space, hidden partition etc. Also the free space will change depending on the size of the swap file etc.



there is a 100 meg sys part , the swap file should be the same size on a cloned hd shouldn't it ?
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Message 1360309 - Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 13:34:50 UTC - in response to Message 1360308.  

Look at it in Disk Manager to see if there is any unsed space, hidden partition etc. Also the free space will change depending on the size of the swap file etc.



there is a 100 meg sys part , the swap file should be the same size on a cloned hd shouldn't it ?

Depending on the software you used it might be smart enough to not copy temp directory information. Which can often be a large amount of data.

You could use software to compare the two drives to see the difference, or check each root folder to see if you can find a directory with a large discrepancy.
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Message 1360314 - Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 13:55:33 UTC - in response to Message 1360309.  

Look at it in Disk Manager to see if there is any unsed space, hidden partition etc. Also the free space will change depending on the size of the swap file etc.



there is a 100 meg sys part , the swap file should be the same size on a cloned hd shouldn't it ?

Depending on the software you used it might be smart enough to not copy temp directory information. Which can often be a large amount of data.

You could use software to compare the two drives to see the difference, or check each root folder to see if you can find a directory with a large discrepancy.


I used Seagate Disc wizard , the newest version , that came with the drive , a bootable CD.

it is weird , when I leave the old drive connected also , The System still gets a read error , even when it is booting ( supposedly ) from the new HD.
I am going to test the sys a couple more days ,to see how it works with just the new HD in it , I'm starting to have some doubts about the New Motherboard .
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Message 1360328 - Posted: 23 Apr 2013, 14:26:31 UTC

That is quite odd.

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Message 1360450 - Posted: 24 Apr 2013, 2:22:08 UTC

Hi guys i'm back oh no everone says ...lol
Floyd just 1 thing before I crash late night upgrading but at least i'm legal now heheheh

I was getting the odd disk read error for about 2 days before I upgraded I started getting them after a update from Microsoft and java on the same day just before you posted your message signing off till you got it sorted.
New system only just finished everything so wont know for a couple of days if it is still doing it .
I have a new Seagate h/d as c: but the old 1 is still there as d: e: (partioned into 2 drives) I have removed 2 smaller ones that are Samsung so only got Seagate in it now i'll let you know if I still get the disk read error ..oh I had no prob's booting up thou if that helps you figure out wot is happening nighty night
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Message 1360730 - Posted: 24 Apr 2013, 17:09:58 UTC

I rebooted yesterday and with only the new HD in the sys , I got another read error , ctrl/alt/delete to restart . then it booted ok.
I am really starting to think that maybe it is a bad MB .

I am going to wait and try one more thing before I see about returning the MB.
I am going to get a NEW sata 3 HD and reinstall OS , uefi and ahci on the new HD.
The HD I have is only a sata 2... That may be the problem... IF that doesn't work . Then a LARGE hammer might help. !

I have never had this much trouble with a blasted PC before !
If it is the MB then it will take a couple weeks to get the new one and get it installed. ! Even though it is under warrenty !
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Message 1360993 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 10:52:23 UTC

The last time I found out that I had a bad RAM stick, the errors that I was getting were almost exclusively drive errors.

If you are getting read/write errors it might be worth trying to reseat RAM and then do a RAM test.
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Message 1360998 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 11:11:05 UTC - in response to Message 1360993.  

The last time I found out that I had a bad RAM stick, the errors that I was getting were almost exclusively drive errors.

If you are getting read/write errors it might be worth trying to reseat RAM and then do a RAM test.

Same here - once bought a new HD too because of errors - turned out to be a bad RAM stick instead. Well at least I ended up with a bigger HD in the process.
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Message 1361061 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 14:03:22 UTC - in response to Message 1360993.  

The last time I found out that I had a bad RAM stick, the errors that I was getting were almost exclusively drive errors.

If you are getting read/write errors it might be worth trying to reseat RAM and then do a RAM test.


I ran ram test from the Win7 pro 64 bit install CD several times and it said that the ram is good .
I will try reseating ram again , got nothing to lose by trying that again... lol

sometimes the pc boots 1st time , it is so intermittent that I can't seem to locate the problem.
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Message 1361150 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 19:03:49 UTC - in response to Message 1361061.  

You could check the chipset heatsinks on the motherboard. I'm not sure what temp is too high but if you burn your finger (like I did once) it's probably too high and causing problems.
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Message 1361181 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 21:12:55 UTC - in response to Message 1361150.  
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You could check the chipset heatsinks on the motherboard. I'm not sure what temp is too high but if you burn your finger (like I did once) it's probably too high and causing problems.



I don't think that is the Problem , It does this from a Cold Boot also .
Even after the Pc has been off with No power to it all night.


I reseated the ram and still have the problem .

The HD's I have is a Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 , model # ST31500341AS ,
Maybe this HD being just a sata 2 model is not fully compatable with this MB.
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Message 1361189 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 21:40:56 UTC - in response to Message 1361181.  

I seem to remember from a long time ago that Seagate was having a problem with their 7200.10 line of drives that a firmware update was supposed to fix, but didn't for all of them. The 7200.11 line was supposed to be 'fixed' but, as it turned out, some of them were affected and needed a firmware update too.

You can check your firmware here.

I'm just sorta thinking out loud, online.
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Message 1361206 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 23:20:34 UTC

Flyod I have been running the upgraded system for a couple of days and no read errors .I put the older Seagate back it too and I did not reformat that drive .It is a new clean install (and ilgit) so i'm wondering if you have been getting the same prob I had just before I did upgrade ??
Sounds like the right idea to try a reinstall before trying the m/b
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Message 1361208 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 23:29:25 UTC - in response to Message 1361206.  

I wouldn't rely on Windows memory test as I've known it to miss problems before.

Try Memtest86 instead and let it do at least 6 passes (more would be better though).

Cheers.
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Message 1361264 - Posted: 26 Apr 2013, 4:11:35 UTC

I would not rely on memory test either. Remember the other thread where I said it might be memory module? The memory module that was giving me trouble passed the POST memory test, both fast test and the extended test.

And memory modules are a lot faster and cheaper to troubleshoot then replacing motherboards.
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Message 1361451 - Posted: 26 Apr 2013, 15:32:48 UTC - in response to Message 1361189.  

I seem to remember from a long time ago that Seagate was having a problem with their 7200.10 line of drives that a firmware update was supposed to fix, but didn't for all of them. The 7200.11 line was supposed to be 'fixed' but, as it turned out, some of them were affected and needed a firmware update too.

You can check your firmware here.

I'm just sorta thinking out loud, online.


Yea , I checked that also , Not for this Model -S/N drive , I did get the Fact sheet ( PDF form)
http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/desktop/Barracuda%207200.11/100507013e.pdf
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Message 1361452 - Posted: 26 Apr 2013, 15:43:29 UTC - in response to Message 1361264.  
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I would not rely on memory test either. Remember the other thread where I said it might be memory module? The memory module that was giving me trouble passed the POST memory test, both fast test and the extended test.

And memory modules are a lot faster and cheaper to troubleshoot then replacing motherboards.


The test I ran was from the win 7 pro 64bit cd.
in the boot from cd / repair windows /section somewhere... if I remember correctly.

the MB is new so under warranty , just cost shipping to return , memory costs more , I just ordered MB on 1st this month , I'm still looking at options ,
can't do anything else till after 1st of May anyway.
If I can I might get some more ram ordered in May and try that...

The Ram I have is this , Lifetime Warranty.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4837614&srkey=C13-8220
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Message 1361453 - Posted: 26 Apr 2013, 15:44:39 UTC - in response to Message 1361208.  

I wouldn't rely on Windows memory test as I've known it to miss problems before.

Try Memtest86 instead and let it do at least 6 passes (more would be better though).

Cheers.


memtest 86 doesn't work so good on 64 bit sys , from what I read...
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